One of the more common reasons some people in the United States give for why they believe everyone has an obligation to vaccinate their children and themselves with all of the vaccines recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and mandated by state governments is that it protects those who are too sick to get vaccinated.
The argument assumes that if at least 95 percent of a population is vaccinated against a particular disease, then the entire population is protected from getting that disease, and that this is particularly important for people who are “too sick to get vaccinated.” The concept is known as “herd immunity.”
Of course, the herd immunity theory is riddled with holes—the most glaring of which is that temporary vaccine acquired artificial immunity is simply not the same thing as the longer lasting naturally acquired immunity.1 2 3 So it is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to attain vaccine acquired herd immunity with most live virus and inactivated bacterial vaccines, regardless of whether you vaccinate 95 percent of a population or nearly 100 percent. Just ask China.4
Yet, those who want to force vaccination on everyone persistently argue that vaccine acquired herd immunity is critical to protecting the health and lives of all those who cannot be vaccinated because they suffer from a range of diseases, illnesses or conditions that compromise their immune system, thus making them too sick to get vaccinated.5 6 7
In a 2015 article in The New York Times, Nicholas Kristof wrote: “It’s not just cancer patients who can’t be immunized, but also infants, those with vaccine allergies, and people with medical conditions that leave them immunocompromised. And a small proportion of people get the vaccine but never develop immunity, so they, too, depend on others to get vaccinated.”8 9
“Thus refusing to vaccinate your children is not ‘personal choice’ but public irresponsibility. You no more have the right to risk others by failing to vaccinate than you do by sending your child to school with a hunting knife. Vaccination isn’t a private choice but a civic obligation,” Kristoff wrote.8
The message is clear: “If you are a caring person and a responsible citizen, then you must do your duty and get vaccinated for the sake of those unfortunate people who can’t. If you don’t, then you must be a horrible person and an unworthy citizen who must be punished in some way.”
The problem with this argument is that it is a bogus one. Although the CDC considers pregnancy and severe immunodeficiency to be a contraindication to getting live virus vaccines, the CDC states that, “killed or inactivated vaccine do not represent a danger to immunocompromised persons and generally should be administered as recommended for healthy persons.” The CDC also says that, in general, live and inactivated vaccines do not pose a problem for those who suffer from chronic autoimmune and neurological diseases and disorders.8
A glaring example of just how bogus this argument is can be found in the recent recommendation by the American Academy of Neurology’s (AAN) that people with multiple sclerosis (MS) should get routine vaccinations, including the annual influenza vaccine.10
The AAN’s Mauricio Farez, MD, MPH recently wrote: “We reviewed all of the available evidence, and for people with MS, preventing infections through vaccine use is a key part of medical care. People with MS should feel safe and comfortable getting their recommended vaccinations.”10
MS is believed by many medical researchers to be an autoimmune disease in which the body’s immune attacks it own tissues. Other researchers think it is an immune-mediated disease in which the body’s immune system attacks the central nervous system (CNS).11 12 13
So it turns out that, according to the CDC, almost nobody is “too sick” to get vaccinated. This is another reason why everyone should have the freedom to exercise informed consent and make their own decisions about using vaccines that entail significant risks, which turn out to be 100 percent for some people. It is wrong to make people feel guilty about refusing to use a pharmaceutical product that carries significant risks so that other people are given theoretical “protection” that cannot be guaranteed.
1 Cáceres M. The Misunderstood Theory of Herd Immunity. The Vaccine Reaction June 20, 2015.
2 Cáceres M. Herd Immunity Theory Has Been Repeatedly Disproven. The Vaccine Reaction May 30, 2017.
3 Cáceres M. The Theory of Herd Immunity Has Nothing to Do With Vaccination. The Vaccine Reaction June 18, 2018.
4 Wang Z, 1 Yan R, He H, Li Q, Chen G, Yang S, Chen E. Difficulties in Eliminating Measles and Controlling Rubella and Mumps: A Cross-Sectional Study of a First Measles and Rubella Vaccination and a Second Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Vaccination. PLoS One 2014; 9(2): e89361.
5 Why Do We Vaccinate? Immunity Community.
6 Correll R. How Do Vaccines Work, Exactly? verywell Aug. 28, 2019
7 Vaccines and Immunization. New York State Department of Health.
8 Cáceres M. The Immunocompromised Still Get Vaccinated. The Vaccine Reaction Jan. 18, 2016.
9 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Contraindications and Precautions. CDC.gov Aug. 20, 2019.
10 TVR Staff. American Academy of Neurology Recommends Routine Vaccination for MS Patients. The Vaccine Reaction Sept. 8, 2019.
11 Lancastre J. Multiple Sclerosis: An Autoimmune Disease. Multiple Sclerosis News Today.
12 Multiple Sclerosis & Autoimmune Disorders. Indiana University Health.
13 What is an immune-mediated disease? National Multiple Sclerosis Society.
Interesting that MS patients in the U.S. are being told to get vaccinated. In France a sharp.increase in MS cases was noted after a Hep B vaccine was implemented. Incidence of new cases was decreased after the vaccine was no longer recommended, I believe. If a vaccine causes some cases of MS I would not be hopeful about continuing to vaccinate a person who has it.
Herd Immunity is now being called “Community Immunity” which is what the CDC/pharma mafia does when they want to make something more important than it is. It is also a way to breath new life into a concept when it has becomes obvious the CDC is aware that the public at large is not buying into the old paradigm and not reacting to the fear mongering it’s suppose to generate.
Here is an excellent article: What About the Immunocompromised? https://fearlessparent.org/?s=immunocompromised+can+be+vaccinated
So, as Marco says, ” according to the CDC, almost nobody is “too sick” to get vaccinated.” Here’s the kicker-those that the CDC, pharma mafia and the paid for media claim are vulnerable, truly they are vulnerable because of VACCINATED people. Here are 2 studies that the media of course did not post:
– The Disney Measles outbreak occurred mostly in adults that had been vaccinated (vaccine are supposed to give lifelong immunity) and a study confirms that the MSM hasn’t reported on:
Journal of Clinical Microbiology, entitled, “Rapid Identification of Measles Virus Vaccine Genotype by Real-Time PCR,”
During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees (3). Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data). That’s 38%. https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735
MEASLES OUTBREAKS IN HIGHLY VACCINATED POPULATIONS: -Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011. Oxford Journal.
Of 88 contacts, four secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles, and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.” This report of measles transmission from a twice vaccinated individual. The clinical presentation and laboratory data of the index were typical of measles in a naïve individual. Secondary cases had robust anamnestic antibody responses. No tertiary cases occurred despite numerous contacts. What is stunning about this incident is individuals WITH PRIOR EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINATION AND VACCINE IMMUNITY WERE BOTH CAPABLE OF BEING INFECTED AND INFECTING OTHERS WITH MEASLES (SECONDARY TRANMISSION).
Vaccine literature is littered with vaccine FAILURE for over 4 decades, not failure to vaccinate. Here is one that continues to be relevant:
-Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20. Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons. Poland GA1, Jacobson RM.
Conclusion: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons.
New problem the CDC and pharma is trying to suppress: ANTIGEN DRIFT. This means the viruses in the vaccines are mutating, predominately in higher vaccinated areas. Antigen Drift is a less threatening and confusing name for those who are ignorant about vaccine science. This has been going on for a long time which is why there is vaccine failure. The virus mutates in every person it’s injected into and if anyone is infected by a vaccinated person, it’s a different virus. Take Measles for example since that seems to be the #1 boogeyman. The vaccine was developed using what’s called an A Genotype or clad. There are now 19 genotypes or clads viruses for measles. There are now basically three (3) Measles strains: 1. Endemic 2. AMS 3. Current Vaccine strains Antigen Drifts -A*, B2, B3, C1, C2, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6, D7, D8, D9, D10, D11, G2, G3, H1, H2. There is only 1 vaccine for all the Genotypes or clads and that is Genotype A. The current genotype that have been circulating for years are B3 and now D’s are showing up. B3 is what was circulating at Disney and see how that turned out.
The 1st measles vaccine developed in 1963 was a killed measles vaccine which spawned or “antigen drifted” into a version called Atypical Measles syndrome, an especially vicious form of measles. If children were having extreme reactions to the measles, this could be why, and this is probably the virus that is causing neurological & gastro-intestinal harm to children. 1966 emerged the LMV to replace the KMV and National Communicable Disease Center, precursor to the CDC, stated “Measles To Be Eradicated in 1967 With 55% Vaccine Coverage” and 1 shot. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919891/pdf/pubhealthreporig000270069.pdf .
CDC also said AMS would die out within 30 years (1968) of the last child vaccinated with the KMV yet: BMJ Case Rep. 2015 Sep 23;2015. pii: bcr2015211054. doi: 10.1136/bcr-2015-211054. *Atypical measles syndrome in adults: still around.*
It’s still circulating. Most Doctors don’t even know about AMS or how-to diagnosis it. The incidences of this mutation would be higher if Drs knew what they were doing.
What I find astonishing is the CDC says that AMS will die out in 30 years after the last group of children were injected with it ***BUT*** they must keep vaccinating for measles, mumps, chicken pox etc forever because they are still circulating. Do you think that if they hadn’t messed with measles in the first place the virus would have died out and not be circulating like scarlet fever or any of the illness that have no
Dr. Alexander Langmuir, the father of modern day epidemiology was a strong supporter for development of the vaccine even though he knew that measles was a
“self-limiting infection of short duration, moderate severity, and low fatality, which has maintained a remarkable stable biological balance over the centuries.”
He also stated,
“To those who ask me, ‘Why do you wish to eradicate measles?’ I reply with the same answer that [Sir Edmund] Hilary used when asked why he wished to climb Mt. Everest. He said ‘because it is there.’ To this may be added “And it can be done.
He never said, “Because it’s maiming thousands with blindness and encephalitis and killing hundreds and is a blight worse than Black Plague”.
Protecting the more vulnerable; that’s what we do when we’re vaccinated? How does that work again? Can we sterilize the environment? Public playgrounds may be safer for the vulnerable and exposure to people but what about dog poop, mosquitoes, dirt and mold? It seems to me, that if anyone is so weak and susceptible, they should be more wary of any and all exposure, from all sources. The ground, our lakes and water everywhere you find it, are just full of all kinds of potential problem bacteria. What protects us there? What protects the vulnerable from insect bites and those diseases? Should they be more worried about mosquitoes than the unvaccinated?
We come up short, with what seems like everything that we know. Constantly, we’re still learning and too often we’re wrong. Our history shows too many errors from well-intentioned scientists. It wasn’t so long ago that blood-letting, lobotomies and heroin were considered therapeutic. I’d point to our new genetic understandings. It’s exciting; what we’ve discovered. I think it’s more exciting to consider what we haven’t yet. We have too much genetic material that is outside our current knowledge. Where did it come from? Are we carrying genetic material from bacteria that may be protecting us? Do we have genetic material that protects us from the harm from, say measles? Some genes passed-on from generations that protect us, not from measles but from the damage it could cause? In some sense, I think we’ve done well adapting.
I think immunity and health are a result of exercising our systems and adapting. Consider our immune function getting fat and unhealthy from artificial means. It’s like saving us from the effort of standing and giving us all wheelchairs. Then we get weaker and soon find that we can’t walk anymore. Easy and safe will make us weak. We need some good challenges.
Dean, you are absolutely right. We had a kid at school whose sister was going through chemo. Her mother didn’t say “Please vaccinate all your kids!” She said “Please stop sending your kids to school SICK and SNIFFLY because my daughter might bring it home to my other daughter and even catching the cold is an emergency.” Preschools are a nightmare that way. Why bother take the high route and keep your kid home sick when 25% of the other kids are dripping all over the toys?
Redpill, I want to thank you for your comment and information.
Good post Redpill! It’s necessary to continue educating those uneducated about vaccines. They don’t know what they don’t know!
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Vaccines are the CAUSE of almost all autoimmune disorders. This is utter MADNESS and the CDC and pharma companies are LYING. If this isn’t proof that the deep state wants you injured, maimed, diseased and a patient for life than I don’t know what is. TRUST NOTHING that comes from “official” sources like the CDC, a private for profit corporation that OWNS OVER 50 PATENTS ON VACCINES. They make BILLIONS every year from vaccines! Conflict of interest much?!? Pharma companies, the CDC, and corrupt politicians MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO MAKE LAWS that force or mandate vaccines. PERIOD. When the state partners with corporations for profit and policy it’s called FASCISM.
Children will be denied organ transplants if they do not get “up to date” on their shots. The doctors are just fine with the sickest type of person getting multiple shots all at once prior to organ transplant! I have seen a letter to the parents telling them to come in for this. Talk about making your surgery even riskier! On June 26,2019, the CDC stated Prvnar 13 (pneumonia) would no longer be recommended for those 65+. (But what is officially communicated is that the decision to take this should now be between the patient and their doctor – who probably has no idea it never worked — and is still for sale for seniors at the pharmacy.) At the same time, they extended the recommendation FOR Prevnar to those 18+ WHO ARE IMMUNOCOMPROMISED. Will they mount a better immune response to the 65+. Hmmm.
Alexis, you are correct regarding MS and Hepatitis B vaccine in France. Here is the paper: