On Apr. 17, 2019, I was interviewed by cardiologist Juan Rivera, MD on the “Dr. Juan” health segment of Univision’s Despierta América morning program. The interview, which was conducted in Spanish, focused on the current measles outbreak in the United States.1 2
Dr. Rivera wanted to understand the position of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) on this issue and I appeared on his show via Skype as a spokesperson for NVIC, based largely on my ability to speak Spanish and my position as managing editor of NVIC’s online journal newspaper The Vaccine Reaction. Two other medical doctors—pediatrician Andrés Cotton3 and neurologist Carlos Ramírez-Mejía4—appeared in studio with Dr. Rivera for the interview.
The first question Dr. Rivera asked me to open the show was:
We are in a situation in which there are 550 cases [of measles] in the United States. We know that the most important preventive measure for this is the vaccine. What is your position in this respect?1
My response was:
Well, our position as an NGO is to ensure that individual rights [with regard to vaccination] be preserved. It has been said that this is a crisis. We’re talking about 500 people, more or less, in a country of 320 million people. But let’s not talk about this because, really, this is not our point, which is that you cannot obligate people to get vaccinated. That decision has to be made by the parents of the children. If the State wants to obligate, wants to force people to get vaccinated, well then, we’re no longer living in the United States… we’re living in Cuba or Venezuela. So this is our position.1
Dr. Rivera asked me several other questions about the measles outbreak, notably with regard to New York City and some of the moves by the city’s government to tighten the enforcement of mandates to vaccinate children with the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine. My responses remained consist with my opening response—No forced vaccination. We do not live in a dictatorship like in Cuba or Venezuela.
Predictably, the question of “herd immunity” came up. Dr. Rivera turned to Dr. Cotton and asked:
There is a part of vaccines that have to do not with protecting the individual… something that is known in English as herd immunity… that is an immunity… or en masse, I don’t know what is the term in Spanish. But it is, basically, that when you get a get a vaccine you protect others also.1
Herd immunity is almost always trotted out early in any debate on vaccination, and it always has a way of transforming the debate into one of personal choice versus public responsibility. As I wrote in a 2016 article in The Vaccine Reaction, “The argument being made is that individual choice must be removed from many healthy people to protect the few sick people who cannot protect themselves.”5
Dr. Cotton responded:
Exactly, that’s the idea. For one to get vaccinated and protect other people. There are persons who cannot get vaccinated because they are immunosuppressed or they are elderly or are too young who will get sick and have a high probability of dying.1
At first glance, the argument seems sound. To be a humane society, we must protect those unable to protect themselves. But the argument is based on a false underlying assumption. According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP):
Killed or inactivated vaccines do not represent a danger to immunocompromised persons and generally should be administered as recommended for healthy persons.”5 6
The ACIP has also stated that vaccination is not a problem for people suffering from chronic illnesses. The reality, then, is that, regardless of whether or not you or your child gets vaccinated, nearly all immunocompromised individuals in America will still be subject to vaccination as well.5 6
“For all practical purposes, the Centers for Disease Control and medical trade organizations now direct pediatricians and other vaccinators to deny the medical vaccine exemption to 99.99% of Americans,” says Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder and president of NVIC.5 7
The reason the CDC and most health care professionals believe almost nobody merits a medical or any other exemption to vaccination is that it is assumed that vaccines are “safe and effective” and, thus, they pose no harm to anybody—that, on the contrary, vaccines are beneficial to nearly everyone, and so the more, the better.
Dr. Cotton added:
So we say that, yes yes, the children, people have to get vaccinated. They get vaccinated at one year of age with one dose of MMR and at four years with the other dose. In that way nobody gets the disease. Nobody dies. We’re all at peace. We don’t receive babies, children in the hospital who die from things that we can prevent, and… what the gentleman said, in Cuba the government makes sure that the patients get vaccinated because they don’t want patients to get sick.1
It is hard to know where to begin to further deconstruct Dr. Cotton’s rosy description of how herd immunity works. Even in highly vaccinated communities, fully vaccinated people come down with the diseases vaccines are supposed to prevent. Like with all pharmaceutical products, vaccines can cause severe side effects for some people and doctors rarely predict who will be harmed. Consequently, not everyone is “at peace.”8
Dr. Cotton’s understanding of herd immunity and, thus, his eagerness to use it as justification for mandatory mass vaccination programs is based on the assumption that vaccines confer lifelong immunity. However, vaccines do not confer lifelong immunity. Saying that they do is like saying a woman can be pregnant, but not completely.
Immunity implies permanent protection from an infectious disease. At best, vaccines confer only temporary, short-term protection. That is why the “booster” vaccine was invented, because it was discovered that the protective effects of vaccines tend to wear off or “wane” after a certain amount of time. How much time depends on the vaccine, and even that varies, depending on the individual and the environment in which he or she lives.8
The theory of herd immunity was developed prior to the modern era of mass vaccination campaigns. It was developed based on observations of how a herd of animals or human populations seemed to become immune to an infectious disease like measles after a percentage of a population had contracted the disease and acquired long lasting natural immunity to it.9 10 11
That permanency element is the key to herd immunity. Without it, the theory falls apart, and that is why it is invalid to use as the crux of an argument for mandating that everyone be vaccinated for the “greater good.”
If Americans wish to vaccinate themselves and their children because they have confidence that a vaccine will prevent them from contracting a disease or, if they do get infected, the disease will be milder, then that should be their choice to make. What is lacking is a reasonable argument for insisting that others make the same choice.
Again, we live in the United States of America, not Cuba and not Venezuela.
This article or commentary provides referenced information and perspective on a topic related to vaccine science, policy, law or ethics being discussed in public forums and by U.S. lawmakers. The websites of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) provide information and perspective of federal agencies responsible for vaccine research, development, regulation and policymaking.
References:1 Despierta América. Por qué es importante la vacuna contra el sarampión (mas no obligatoria) | Dr. Juan. YouTube (published Apr. 17, 2019.
2 Dr. Juan? DrJuan.net.
3 Dr. Alberto Cotton, MD. U.S. News & World Report.
4 Carlos Ramirez-Mejia, MD. First Choice Neurology.
5 Cáceres M. The Immunocompromised Still Get Vaccinated. The Vaccine Reaction Jan. 18, 2016.
6 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP): Use of Vaccines and Immune Globulins in Persons with Altered Immunocompetence. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report Apr. 9, 1993.
7 Fisher BL. Blackmail and the Medical Vaccine Exemption. NVIC.org May 18, 2015.
8 Cáceres M. This Herd Mentality is for the Birds. The Vaccine Reaction Sept. 1, 2016.
9 Cáceres M. The Misunderstood Theory of Herd Immunity. The Vaccine Reaction June 20, 2015.
10 Cáceres M. Herd Immunity Theory Has Been Repeatedly Disproven. The Vaccine Reaction May 30, 2017.
11 Cáceres M. The Theory of Herd Immunity Has Nothing to Do With Vaccination. The Vaccine Reaction June 18, 2018.
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Herd immunity would be where populations continued to get measles and continued to have lifelong immunity, not the faux herd immunity that enriches vaccine manufacturers at our expense.
And if they win the argument that your child must be vaccinated to protect someone else’s, the hypothetical immunosuppressed child well enough to attend school, then without a doubt adults will also need to be vaccinated to protect that child at, say, the grocery store. Flu shots will also be forced on everyone for the same reason.
They are creating a medical police state. I don’t expect the insanity to end with vaccinations.
Excellent responses to the emotional bombs that madd vaxxers like to invoke when they are on shaky ground.
First of all, we are not LIVESTOCK. I resent being placed in the same category as cows, horses or any farm animal. If you think about it though, the analogy is appropriate because madd vaxers want to lead people (herd) to the slaughter.
What Is The Herd Immunity Theory?
-The theory of Herd Immunity was created on the basis of an observation done by a researcher named A.W. Hedrich in 1900-1931. He had been studying measles patterns in the US between 1900-1931 (years before any vaccine was ever invented for measles) and he observed that epidemics of the illness only occurred when less than 68% of children had developed a NATURAL immunity to an ENDEMIC illness. This was based upon the principle that children build their own immunity after experiencing or being exposed to the illness. So the Herd Immunity theory was, in fact, about NATURAL ENDEMIC ILLNESS PROCESSES and nothing to do with vaccination. VACCINES-were not part of the observation. If 68% of the population were allowed to build their own natural defenses, there would be no raging epidemic according to the theory.
-Later on, vaccinologists adopted the phrase and increased the figure from 68% to 95% with no scientific justification as to why, and then stated that there had to be 95% vaccine coverage to achieve immunity. Essentially, they took Hedrich’s observation and manipulated it to promote their vaccination program.
(MONTHLY ESTIMATES OF THE CHILD POPULATION “SUSCEPTIBLE’ TO MEASLES, 1900-1931, BALTIMORE, MD, AW HEDRICH, American Journal of Epidemiology, May 1933 – Oxford University Press). Full Text (PDF).
95-100% vaccination rate will not make a difference in protecting anyone and may even cause more harm.
“Why is China Having Measles Outbreaks When 99% Are Vaccinated?”, China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? The obvious answer is the measles vaccines are simply not as effective as advertised, and are becoming even less so over time.
“The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.”
“Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination,”-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3930734/
A new study sheds light on just how dismally incorrect is the much parroted statement “measles vaccines are highly effective.” “Despite increasing global measles vaccination coverage, progress toward measles elimination has slowed in recent years. In China, children receive a measles-containing vaccine (MCV) at 8 months, 18– 24 months, and some urban areas offer a third dose at age 4–6 years. However, substantial measles cases in Tianjin, China, occur among individuals who have received multiple MCV doses.”
“Assessing measles vaccine failure in Tianjin, China,”
http://sci-hub.tw/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31078327
The study reveals that vaccination coverage is as high as 97% for the 1st and 2nd dose of measles-containing vaccine (MCV). The clear failure of the measles vaccine to generate herd immunity has caused major concern among public health officials in China.
Two doses of MMR vaccine are about 97% effective at preventing measles; one dose is about 93% effective. Children may also get MMRV vaccine, which protects against, measles, mumps, rubella and varicella (chickenpox)
Measles | Vaccination | CDC https://www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html
Herd Immunity is a allegory-nothing more.
Has there been any information on the measles genotype that people in NY were infected with?
Health and Human Service has violated US Code 42 USC 300AA-27C since 1998. After pharmaceutical companies were given blanket immunity in 1986 which means a vaccine maker cannot be held legally responsible for any deaths or injuries cause by a vaccine under any circumstances, HHS was ordered by The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 law signed by President Reagan-The US Supreme Court decided Bruesewitz v. Wyeth deals specifically with this provision that HHS was to conduct safety testing of all vaccines and submit a report every 2 years to Congress. FOIA filed in 2017 to HHS requested all studies and data for the last 32 years as these reports are public records. HHS stonewalled for 8 months, not responding. A lawsuit was filed on 7/9/18 in the United States District Court Southern District Of New York suing HHS for refusal to hand over the data as indicated by law for public records. The court ordered HHS to provide the listed documents in the lawsuit. HHS complied: This stipulated order shows that HHS has not acted in its duties regarding vaccine safety, forcing 78 million American children into a vaccine program with no safety provisions. HHS has neglected to perform any safety testing of any vaccines for 32 years as mandated by the 1986 NCVIA. https://icandecide.org/hhs/ICAN-Reply.pdf
Vaccination must be a matter of personal choice, and, for the record Venezuela is not a dictatorship. US propaganda must be understood for what it is on all levels.
One other thing that vaccines for childhood diseases does is prevent the natural development of the human immune system.
Growing up kids of my generation were in the term free ranged. We played outside in every season.
Now, kids do not play outside near as much on average and they are not exposed to the natural world of harmful and helpful bacteria that aids our natural immune systems to develop helping us to fight infections of all kinds.
Serving in the military we received every vaccine for diseases we could encounter in foreign nations, but it was always accepted the vaccines were temporary and required boosting sometimes annually or when in an area of outbreak. My cholera vax was boosted twice in Vietnam during outbreak. Every service member carried their own vaccine record which was updated when boosters were administered.
Our children & grandchildren have been the subjects of a grand hoax that vaccines are 100% effective. Thus we still see outbreaks of childhood diseases and the resulting fatalities. Vaccines do not prevent that when we have deaths and injuries resulting from vaccines. They are ignored and covered up and we are to go on our way blissfully ignorant of the fact we are vaccine caused immunodeficient with a far less effective immune system.
I also ask the question: what if the next pandemic is the result of a mandated vaccine. Agenda 2030 requires world depopulation of billions. Abortion and euthanasia are two ways of accomplishing that goal, but disease is another.
Without an unvaccinated control group, both sides of the argument are moot.
This country is not run by a government. It is run by bigPharma and big Ag. Pity. Such a beautiful country ruled by the people who are destroying it.
Great article. Logical rebuttals to the pro-vaxxers’ hysterical arguments.
Curious if you had the measles as a child are you immune from getting measles again??♀️ Or spreading it if you come in contact with someone who is infected with measles or any other diseases
Yes, Darlene Chiosa, having the measles confers lifetime immunity.
How come when we all got measles in the 1950’s, it was considered a common illness but after the MMR came onto the market,measles suddenly became akin to the black plague??
Could MONEY be the reason???? Do ya think ??
You’ve made some great points in this article, but what was your reply to Dr. Cotton during the interview? Did you refer him to the studies and information presented here?
Joy, unfortunately I did not have the opportunity to respond to Dr. Cotton’s comments about herd immunity.
When will people wake up and realize that without transparency from any government agency they live in a totalitarian state. Do our bodies belong to us or the state? Are people too stupid to know what is right and wrong? Since when is it right to go against your conscience? Are we animals to be herded? Or are we made in the image of God? Are we pursuing life, and liberty or the culture of death? Do we not have these rights under the constitution anymore?
All governments that grow huge lead to TYRANNY!
What ‘Redpill’ mentions above, about Health and Human Service, a part of the U. S. government, not acting in its duties regarding vaccine safety, is that HHS was to conduct safety testing of all vaccines and submit a report every 2 years to Congress. It took a court order forcing HHS to provide listed documents as requested in a FOIA filed in 2017. The stipulated order shows that HHS has not acted in its duties regarding vaccine safety, forcing 78 million American children into a vaccine program with NO SAFETY PROVISIONS.
This is reprehensible. Who is holding the vaccine manufacturers accountable for the safety of vaccines they are producing? Apparently no one is doing so. What kind of integrity does this indicate? Suzanne Humphries, MD and Roman Bystrianyk, authors of “Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History” 2015, pg. 479 – “Nobody–not even the most educated immunologists–understands or can describe the complete cascade of events that occurs after injecting a vaccine. If physicians realized how little is known today about the immune system and vaccines, they would be duty bound to tell patients that there are no accurate scientific answers. …… The reality . . . is that vaccinology, as portrayed to the public today, amounts to writing religion on the back of ignorance.”
You, aka YouMa:
This is what is known about how a vaccine doesn’t work:
In 1995, Golding and Scott, published the need for strategies to make vaccines that would generate the “required” Th cell to the corresponding microorganism. Since that time, attempts to produce vaccines that would generate a “natural”- type response have failed. So, we are left with vaccines that generate “protective” responses as a second choice. How does this work? In vaccine-induced Th2 responses, called humoral responses, the body produces large quantities of specific antibodies that block the virus from entering cells.
“This response is why a vaccinated child doesn’t get a full blown infection and why the child won’t spread as many viruses into the environment.”
However, antibodies cannot get into cells to eliminate viruses once the viruses are in the cells or cannot kill infected cells themselves. Therefore, the body has no choice other than to internalize the virus and be chronically infected when the body is forced into a Th2 antibody response. The body is essentially constipated with viruses that it cannot expel!
Golding S., Scott DE., Vaccine Strategy: Targeting Helper T Cell Responses. Ann. NY Acad. Sci. 754:126-137, May 31, 1995
Golding & Scott were with the FDA when they did this study. So researchers know that vaccination doesn’t generate an IMMUNE response and that the viruses in the vaccine shed. Just “not as many” viruses. Also, if you think about it, the viruses are captured in the cells of the body and I think when that person’s immune system is weakened or they become ill they can actually expel that virus and it can infect others. Just my thoughts.
If you really want a walk on the dark side read: “Fear Of The Invisible” by Janine Roberts. One of the best researched books available from inside the industry.
The only reason we’re not seeing more and larger outbreaks is because we still have a respectable percentage of the US population born before 1957, and those people have true immunity from natural measles infection. As that population ages and dies, we will see bigger epidemics. This time, though, unlike in the pre-vaccine era, the epidemics will be distributed equally across all age groups, including infants and the elderly who are not well equipped to deal with this disease. A bunch of arrogant scientists decided to play with nature in the the 1960’s and now we all have to bear the consequences of their stupidity.
Dear NVIC, I respect your organization so much, but it is very troubling to me that you site Venezuela and Cuba as dictatorships so matter-of-factly. Venezuela in particular currently has a democratically elected Government. Their election was overseen by Jimmy Carter and others and determined to be exceptionally fair. You may or may not “like” their president, but lots of people don’t “like” Trump either. It is outrageous and against international law for the United States to illegally overthrow another Government. How dare the Democrats claim that Russia “interfered with our elections” and in the same breath think its just fine for Trump and his pals to conduct a Coup in Venezuela because he wants their oil (they have more oil than Saudi Arabia). We are inundated with falsehoods and lies about vaccines from our own corporate media. Those are the same people who want us to think that other countries are “dictatorships” so that the US can justify helping corporations and the wealthy elite take over more and more of our lives and liberties. So, please be careful with the language you use and the accusations you make.
There is a substantial reason why the “industry” and government are cranking up their efforts against vaccination choices now. The number of people refusing to vaccinate children is reaching a point where they can develop a large enough database to validate their position and support it. E.g. various mental issues spreading in the population like wildfire. In the words of Dr. Thomas (Portland, OR) (1)
When KATU asked Dr. Paul if he thought doctors who follow the CDC vaccination schedule were putting patients at risk he answered by saying the U.S. wasn’t seeing this chronic disease a few decades ago: “It came out of nowhere. Fifty-four percent of kids are graduating high school on chronic medication. Something is different, and I’m not saying it’s just the vaccines. It’s toxins, toxins, toxins.” (1).
By comparing the already available unvaccinated children’s health records to the toxinated group we will be able to demonstrate substantial differences in health issues and this precisely what our opponents are concerned about.
Oregonians refused the needle somewhere in the 6% to 8% range now while the economic upper class in California is following the same path. They want to beat us into submission and they have their reasons. Hint: It has to do with social controls.
I find the estimate of 20% of U.S. children between 5 and 14 years with ADHD, alarmingly high. When I consider the seemingly endless list of mental disorders presented on the 970 pages of the American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (2013), suddenly it occurs that likely over half of American children can be fitted into one category or another. In a possibly related item Bernt and Ole (2018) published the results of a major study about the reversal of the Flynn effect, the slow growth of average IQ rates in the Western World in the 20th century until 1975. The research is based on a major data base of well recorded IQ records of 736,808 Norwegian men who were entering Norway’s mandatory military services between the years of 1970 and 2009. The study concludes that the negative trend is substantial but the cause is likely environmental, therefore reversible.
Additional interesting detail is Offit’s (2014) decade by decade review of the history of vaccination. Vaccines started to multiply and combinations like DPT were created in the late 1940s and kept increasing ever since. In the early 1950s, there were four vaccines: diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and smallpox. Because three of these vaccines were combined into a single shot (DTP), children received five shots by the time they were 2 years old and not more than one shot at a single visit. (Offit, 2014).
The children with birthdates of the 1950s and on became the subjects of the Bernt and Ole (2018) study with gradually lowering IQs after the mid 1970s. By 2018 the CDC guided/forced the medical community to give around two dozen shots to each child before the age of 15 months, many of them combination shots like DTP and MMR (CDC, 2018). And today we are witnessing dramatic increases in the rates of autism.
In another development we learn from multiple sources, for example Baxter (February 7, 2018), that the world’s foremost promoter of mandatory vaccinations, Bill Gates, “point blank” refused to vaccinate his three children and the word is coming from the Gates family’s pediatrician at the time. Gates is not an exception in this case. As Yang et al., (2016) informs us: The trend is that Californian families in the higher income categories are opting out of the vaccination program on “Basis of Personal Belief” (PBE), doubling their numbers in the seven years after 2007 to above 3% of the total. In addition the majority of the PBE exempt kids were concentrated in the private school sector where additional scores must have been hiding as smaller private schools are not under mandatory reporting duties to the state. In Oregon, the ‘most vaccine-skeptical state’ in America 7.5% of the children opted out of the vaccination program in full or part in 2018.
One critical question is: What does the elite on the West Coast know that makes them abandon “herd immunity”?
I also have a very strong suspicion that the negative effects of ultrasounds are downplayed by the medical world in the U.S. The Chinese government killed tens of millions of babies and as it was mostly the girls who were killed, ultrasound was used at the early stages of pregnancy to establish gender. The Chinese studies found a positive relationship between ultrasound and low birth weight. There is a new, major study and related article on the issues of low birth weight. The conclusion is that low birth rates kill and have lifelong negative health effects. Ultrasound seems to be not recognized there as a possible cause but it is.
Presently people are placed under pressure to allow to do hour long colored ultrasounds in the late stages of pregnancy. It is like: “We are making a color movie of your baby for your memories.” Just tell them that your baby is not a Hollywood movie star, there is no medical justification for this. They are doing it to improve their cash flow. The machines they are using are very expensive and somebody has to pay for them….
I am an experienced social researcher with the proper qualifications. This would take years of hard labor and serious opposition would come from you know who. You give me the financial help to work on this and I will prove behind a shadow of a doubt the main factors that are causing these problems.
References:
American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. (2013). Fifth Edition. American Psychiatric Association. Arlington, VA, USA.
Bratsberg, Bernt. Rogeberg, Ole. (2018) Flynn effect and its reversal are both environmentally caused. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. Retrieved From https://www.pnas.org/content/115/26/6674
Baxter, Dmitry. (February 7, 2018). Bill Gates’ Former Doctor Says Billionaire ‘Refused To Vaccinate His Children’. Retrieved from
https://newspunch.com/bill-gates-doctor-vaccinate/
CDC: Recommended Immunization Schedule for Children and Adolescents Aged 18 Years or Younger, United States, 2018. Retrieved from
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html
Offit, Paul, A. (2014). Vaccine History: Developments by Year. Retrieved from
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-history/developments-by-year
Yang, Y. T., Delamater, P. L., Leslie, T. F., & Mello, M. M. (2016). Sociodemographic Predictors of Vaccination Exemptions on the Basis of Personal Belief in California. American journal of public health, 106(1), 172-7.
It is generally very favorable to contract natural measles in childhood.
If anyone should be complaining about others’ vaccination practices, it should be the unvaccinated who are being deprived of exposure to natural measles.
Redpill, your comments are excellent and very well written. May I copy and share them?
Yes, I would be honored.
It wouldn’t be a socialist/communist state necessarily that would force vaccines but a fascistic state…which is what U.S. is becoming. Or an Autocratic state like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Mianmar, Phillipines, Peru…..anywhere where the profit motive can be enforced by ignorant corrupt government in name of $$/science backed by CDC influence. U.S. and their allied Imperialist countries have killed millions of people the world over and continue, only to advance hyper-capitalism/war/domination. Some say the dictatorship of capital.
Excellent comments everyone and article. Nice reference Red Pill re: HHS.
Some people have gotten atypical measles which is from exposure to a person who was vaccinated recently with Measles or MMR. People who are recently vaccinated can be responsible for the spread of measles. This recently occurred in Michigan.
I take issue with Dr. Cotton’s use of the word “peace”. The simple talk of mass vaccination brings many words to the minds of peace loving people, not one of them is the word peace. In fact, this man is a liar. Look around at the world we live in, listen to what people are saying to each other about this topic, and you will see the truth in the lie.
No parent experiences “peace” when bringing their babies to the doctor for vaccinations. Whether or not you like vaccines, there are risks involved. A lot of people have lived these risks, experienced them first hand, lived the rest of their lives with a permanent mental or physical disability, or watched helplessly as a loved one lingered indefinitely with little or no hope of recovery in one of the multitude of side effects of these “peaceful” procedures. Chronic illness, childhood cancers, brain damage (autism), seizure disorders, paralysis, death, the list goes on. These are a few of the possible, “peaceful” side effects people consider before vaccination.
So according to a post previous to mine, the herd immunity theory we have come to adopt is apparently another finagled version of the truth. Not that herd immunity conjures “peace” in the minds of humanity, either, but it’s still nice to be educated in this very distressful topic. No one wants to be the herd-member taking a hit for the team. Not a “peaceful” scenario, especially if you are prone to allergies.
Dr. Cotton isn’t the only illusionist, however, and obviously this is a pervading problem with all promoters of vaccines–which are not magic potions that promote peace. If you believe this to be true, then you are lying to yourself. All you have to do is bring up a dissenting point of view to someone to witness how vaccines breed discord today. So no, Dr. Cotton, we are all “not” at peace with this, not now, not ever.
I thought the CDC reason for the second MMR shot ( not as a ‘booster’); but to ‘catch’ the kids that did not have an ‘uptake ‘ with the first shot’!
Grandmother Kenly of 11??
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Here’s a thought I have:
The push for mandatory vaccination across the country has been on crack for years now. What is the one study that Pro-Choice, Medical Autonomy, Informed Consent and the right to refuse groups have been asking to be done? A study comparing the health of unvaccinated children to vaccinated children. CDC continues to claim that it is unethical to not give children vaccines DESPITE the fact that parents of unvaccinated children have offered to allow them to be studied. The next excuse of the CDC is there are not enough unvaccinated children to do a study. At the same time they’re wringing their hands saying there are over a million unvaccinated children in the US. Another excuse is unvaccinated children’s lifestyle are basically healthier than vaccinated children because their parents are diligent about the foods they eat.
Vaccine Beat 3: Why Won’t CDC Do the Study?
https://www.greatergoodmovie.org/video/vaccine-beat-3-why-wont-they-do-the-study/
My thought is if they, CDC and their minion surrogates in states across the country can FORCE more people into getting their children vaccinated any unvaccinated vs vaccinated study will be skewed. How?
the best way to hide evidence of injury is to eliminate the control group
Dani,
You took the words right out of my mouth. Enough propaganda on all issues.
Maria
MMR is a live vaccine. Immunocompromised people cannot get it.
M
“MMR is a live vaccine. Immunocompromised people cannot get it.”
It depends on what exactly the issues is. CDC & pharma want to present a blanket statement as part of their propaganda but if you read studies and the CDC own we blog there are protocols for vaccinating these individuals if they so choose.
Live vaccines:
As a rule, severe systemic reactions may develop against vaccine strains in individuals with severe immunosupression and in individuals with unknown functions related with the immune system. Therefore, live viral vaccines (polio, MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), varicella) and live bacterial vaccines (BCG) should not be administered unless the individual is in the remission stage. However, some live vaccines can be administered safely in some immune system disorders or when the benefit of the vaccine outweighs the side effects.
Vaccination in patients with immunosuppression
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462293/
There have always been immunosuppressed people and prior to the increase in the vaccine schedule and the 1986 Law that gave vaccine makers blanket immunity from being sued directly, suddenly the CDC and pharma are concerned about the immunocompromised. Probably because there has been a rabid increase in the number of vaccine children receive. In 1962-children received 3 vaccines (polio, smallpox & DTP-5 doses total ). 1983-24 doses of 4 vaccines by the age of 18. 2016-72 doses of 17 vaccines. Before the age of 6 children have received 49 doses of 14 vaccines. 72 by the age of 18.
Vaccine makers are projected to make 60 Billion in profits just from vaccines.