What Doctors Learn in Medical School About Vaccines

What Doctors Learn in Medical School About Vaccines

The idea that there are “medical experts” who, by virtue of the MD initials placed after their names, automatically know more than anyone else about vaccines is pervasive. This commonly held belief persists, despite overwhelming evidence that doctors are taught almost nothing about vaccines in medical school. Doctors are taught that vaccines have saved the world from infectious diseases and they are taught to follow the vaccine schedule promoted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)which tells them which vaccines to give and when. They’re taught that they must always abide by the schedule and vaccinate every patient. That’s pretty much it.

Yes, it’s hard to believe, but don’t take my word for it. In an article I wrote several years ago titled “Doctors Are No Experts On Vaccines,” I included quotes from several medical doctors to backup my allegation.1

There is the following quote from biochemist Boyd Haley, PhD, who taught at the University of Kentucky Medical Center in Lexington:

I can tell you, having been in a medical center, having taught biochemistry to medical students, and talking to hundreds of medical doctors, they get very little training in toxicology… I mean, no courses that are specifically designed, such as a PhD student in toxicology would have, or a PhD student in biochemistry. They don’t understand it at all. They are not trained to evaluate the toxic effects of chemicals, especially at the research level. One, they don’t do research programs, they don’t have the insight that’s developed and required for someone writing a PhD thesis in toxicology or biochemistry of materials that inhibit enzymes. They just don’t understand the science and the chemistry at that level. And certainly pediatricians don’t.1 2

It turns out that this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many testimonies by medical doctors (and professors who taught them) regarding how little they learned about vaccines in medical school. It is important to listen to them so that the magnitude of the myth that physicians are the experts on vaccines can fully sink in.

It is time to put this myth to rest because it is too often used as a way to disparage anyone who dares to disagree or even mildly question doctors about the safety and effectiveness of vaccination. Case in point, there was an article published recently in The Conversation titled “Why vaccine opponents think they know more than medical experts“. The article is essentially a hit piece on anyone who refuses to toe the line and agree with “medical experts” that the benefits of vaccination always outweighs the risks. The authors, Matthew Motta, Steven Sylvester and Timothy Callaghan, argue that “anti-vaxxers” may suffer from a cognitive bias known in the field of psychology as the “Dunning-Kruger effect.” They ask:

Could the inability of anti-vaxxers to accurately appraise their own knowledge and skills compared to those of medical experts play a role in shaping their attitudes about vaccines? This inability to accurately appraise one’s own knowledge is called the Dunning-Kruger effect, first identified in social psychology. Dunning-Kruger effects occur when individuals’ lack of knowledge about a particular subject leads them to inaccurately gauge their expertise on that subject. Ignorance of one’s own ignorance can lead people who lack knowledge on a subject think of themselves as more expert than those who are comparatively better informed.3

You see what they did there? Of course, the problem with this cynical attack strategy is that it is based on a key faulty assumption—that the only way you can possibly know what you’re talking about when it comes to vaccines is if you have gone to medical school so you can put MD initials after your name.

According to Ramon Ramos, MD, “The only thing we learned in [medical] school was that there was a program and that we should follow that vaccine program. As to the vaccine itself and the contents of the vaccines, no we didn’t study that. We assumed that what the pharmaceuticals, that what they did and the CDC accepted, that that’s the way it is.”4 5

Paul Thomas, MD recollected, “We got a lot of microbiology, we learned about diseases, and we learned that vaccines were the solution to those diseases that, what they say, are ‘vaccine preventable.’ But, actually, what was in the vaccines, I don’t remember really learning anything. … I was never taught, when I was in medical school 30 years ago, what was in a vaccine. We were only taught they’re wonderful.”4 6

This lack of knowledge about vaccine ingredients and how vaccines can affect immune and brain function should be of particular concern to anyone getting a vaccine from a doctor. “You’d be amazed at the number of physicians, you ask them what’s in a vaccine?” said neurosurgeon Russell Blaylock, MD. ” They’ll say, well, there’s the bacteria, the virus you want to vaccinate against, and then there’s a little immune stimulant in there to help stimulate the immunity so they react against those viral antigens.”7 8

Dr. Blaylock points out:

They don’t know about these other chemicals in there like formaldehyde, special proteins, special lipids that are known to be brain toxic, that are known to induce autoimmunity in the brain. They’re not aware of that. They don’t know that MSG is in a lot of vaccines―monosodium glutamate, a brain excitotoxin. They’re not aware of what’s in the vaccine they’re giving.7 8

“We learned what [vaccines] were, what the diseases were,” said Joseph Mercola, DO. “We probably learned more about the diseases and, of course, everyone accepted the dogma that vaccines work. There was just no critical analysis about the pros and cons. It was never discussed, let alone the side effects.”4

“I don’t remember them teaching me anything about adverse effects… at all,” said Patricia Ryan, MD. “They just wanted you to memorize the schedule and make sure you knew when to give [the vaccines].”4 9

James Neuenschwander, MD recalled that, when he went to medical school more than 30 years ago, there was “not much training at all” on vaccines. “I don’t know that it’s changed very much, he said. “Basically, it was… here’s the schedule. These are the saviors of mankind, they are safe, and you need to make sure everybody’s vaccinated.”10

“We were told that vaccines are safe and effective, here’s the schedule, ignore the inserts… that’s lawyer jargon,” recalled Cammy Benton, MD. “I think in medical school you’re learning so much that it’s kind of difficult to learn, that you assumed [with] vaccines the science was settled, tried and true. So you just didn’t question it, that was the easy part… okay, this is for sure.  So you just accept it.”11

I could go on and on with examples of how doctors admit they are taught almost nothing in medical school about vaccines except to give them to everyone. But you get the idea. I’ll end with an observation by Stephanie Christner, DO, whose infant daughter did not survive vaccination

I never learned in medical school how vaccines were studied, what type of clinical trials they went through, how they evaluated adverse reactions… how they even evaluated effectiveness. So, after Victoria died, I started reading everything that is put out there. Anything that would lead me to a topic, then I would Google that topic… and if there were textbooks in relation to that topic, I would order them and then, based on reading that book, I would order another book. What I have learned has shocked me. 12

In conclusion, medical school does not train future doctors to be vaccine experts. In fact, unless they took personal initiative and independently studied up on vaccines, those who graduate from medical school tend to be functionally illiterate about the subject. This aura of all-knowingness surrounding physicians, the common belief that they are vaccine experts, is wholly undeserved. That is why, increasingly, people are hesitant to rely solely on pediatricians and other medical doctors for guidance when it comes to vaccination, especially parents making a vaccine decision for their child.

It has nothing do with any kind of cognitive bias. It has to do with trust.


References:

1 Cáceres M. Doctors Are No Experts on VaccinesThe Vaccine Reaction Nov. 28, 2015.
2 Vaccines Are Not Safe. YouTube.com Mar. 13, 2014 (published by 999solomon999).
3 Motta M, Sylvester S, Callaghan T. Why vaccine opponents think they know more than medical experts. The Conversation July 12, 2018.
4 Vaxxed TV. How Much Is Taught on Vaccines In Medical School? YouTube.com Feb. 18, 2017 (published).
5 Vaxxed TV. VaxXed Tour: Dr. Ramon Ramos. YouTube.com Jan. 16, 2017 (published).
6 The Truth About Vaccines. The Truth About Vaccines Docu-series – Episode 1. YouTube.com Apr. 13, 2017 (published).
7 Cáceres M. Those Who Give Vaccines Should Know The Ingredients in Vaccines. The Vaccine Reaction Oct. 12, 2017.
8 Dr. Russell Blaylock MD Dangers of Vaccines. (start at 15:51) YouTube.com May 18, 2014 (published).
9 Vaxxed TV. VaxXed Stories: Doctor Patricia Ryan in Nebraska. YouTube.com Dec. 11. 2016 (published).
10 Vaxxed TV. James Neuenschwander MD. YouTube.com Sept. 2, 2017 (published).
11 Health Impact News. Dr. Cammy Benton MD Interview from VAXXED Team. YouTube.com Nov. 8, 2017 (published).
12 Vaxxed TV.  Dr. Stephanie Christner on vaccines. YouTube.com Jan. 15, 2017 (published).

37 Responses to "What Doctors Learn in Medical School About Vaccines"

  1. Jeanette   July 28, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    I have talked with nurses (active and retired) and doctors who confirm that they were taught very little about vaccines in their medical training. In summer of 2016, I asked a Harvard final year medical school student what is currently being taught about vaccines. She responded that they are taught to follow the CDC schedule; that vaccines are safe and effective; that risks are minimal; and that benefits outweigh the risks for the individual and society. Then I shared a photo and story of a healthy 15 month old who died within 24 hours of receiving 7 vaccines in 3 shots. Somewhat startled, the young medical student asked me, ‘Do children always get that many at once?’

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  2. Elygantthings   August 3, 2018 at 8:10 pm

    I’m glad I don’t go to the doctors and take care of my own health. If I have to go see the doctor. I have a doctor who respects my opinion and is willing to learn what he doesn’t know. He researches everything I suggest and actually talks about what he finds and what I know.

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  3. Sally L   August 5, 2018 at 8:19 am

    This is just part of the tangled web that Big Pharma has woven to take control of medical schools, the media, and the government. It’s a crime against humanity, and everyone needs to do their own due diligence when it comes to vaccines and medical treatment in general. DOn’t trust ANYONE else with your or your children’s health!

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  4. Laurel   August 5, 2018 at 9:09 am

    My best friend earned her PhD in medical phys. and told me she had more pharma classes than MD’s. Found that interesting/scary as the MD’s write the scripts!!!!!

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  5. Robert L Wachsmuth sr .   August 5, 2018 at 9:45 am

    Doctors on a murder spree.
    It takes a whole day just to fill out the vaccine injury form.
    Doctors in Queens New York totally incompetent to even do that.
    Using vaccine injuries as a money-making scheme.
    a child without autism is worth noting a child with autism is worth ten million dollars so which way do you think the doctors are going to go.
    Pediatricians love to hurt babies. With vaccines.
    Another money-making schem
    Cannibal Healthcare System

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    • Jenn   August 6, 2018 at 3:12 pm

      To fill out a VAERS repost takes less than 20 minutes. I just filled out one yesterday.

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  6. Kayla Wildman   August 5, 2018 at 1:49 pm

    When my baby had been sick with many different symptoms (all classic adverse effects of diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis vaccine) for 3 weeks after her second DTaP shot, I told the doctor, “I can’t believe it would be a good idea for my baby to get her next shot on schedule.”

    The doc’s response was: “I don’t know enough about bad reactions to vaccines to tell you whether or not the baby should get her next shot as planned.”

    So the doc told his nurse to go call the manufacturer of the vaccine. The nurse came back and said, “The vaccine manufacturer says this is a normal reaction to DTaP and the baby can have her next shot on schedule.” And the doctor BELIEVED this. I thought either the vaccine maker was lying and covering up, or if they were telling the truth, then NO child should be given that vaccine. So I kept researching…and that saved my baby’s life.

    Fast forward several months. I had just been told by a psychiatrist who specialized in autism that my child had some autistic characteristics and was high risk for autism because of her medical history. When I reported this to the “I don’t know enough” doctor’s partner, she said, “Try not to worry too much about your child. God has a plan for her.”

    That was the end. I fired both docs. And these docs were osteopaths and considered among the very best docs in my rural county…

    BTW, the only place I’ve ever seen an adequate description of the adverse effects of DPT vaccine is in Fisher and Coulter’s book “A Shot in the Dark.” And DTaP vaccine can produce exactly the same adverse effects as DPT…that’s what happened to my baby.

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  7. Melinda G Gladstone   August 5, 2018 at 2:55 pm

    Pay attention. In 2016 which candidate received the MOST money from pharmaceuticals? Hillary Clinton, she received $336,416 and President Trump received the least in donations: $1,010, enough to buy one Daraprim pill.

    WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU???? Follow the money and thank GOD Hillary was denied the white house!

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/health/big-pharma-presidential-politics/index.html

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    • Mary   August 10, 2018 at 6:40 pm

      Hillary Clinton is not a villain. She believes that vaccines save lives and most people in this country think the same way. In some cases, they have, but the risks are denied time after time. I have a very wonderful friend, a retired nurse, who has helped our family with medical issues from time to time, and she’s firmly convinced that people who don’t vaccinate are being negligent.

      This is not a reason to support the current occupant of the White House.

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      • Patricia Jackson   October 23, 2018 at 1:25 pm

        The more liberal the candidate the more willing they are to promote the idea of “The Greater Good” vs. conservatives who still believe in the rights of the individual to decide. The health freedom movement chose Trump for a reason. Many of us did so with a hard swallow – but this current move toward socialism will result in too much government overreach in this area and government sponsored vaccine programs (at the point of a gun). It was and is a great reason to support a super red wave. That is our only choice at the moment until other parties step forward and protect the rights of the individual and informed consent.

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        • Bouncedancer   October 27, 2018 at 8:33 pm

          There are also other concerns. Republicans are toxic on the right of women to make decisions for their own bodies, the separation of state and church, the support of the should-be-dead industries petroleum and coal, voting rights — I could go on.

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  8. DesertChick   August 5, 2018 at 4:17 pm

    It would appear that Matthew Motta, Steven Sylvester and Timothy Callaghan might be the ones suffering from “Dunning-Kruger Effect” here. Not the ‘anti-vaxxers’ (notice the denigrating terminolgy) that is so prevalent with the side who is in bed with Big Pharma, Big Medicine and what passes for Convention Wisdom with this subject.

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  9. ROBERTO   August 5, 2018 at 6:50 pm

    NO SOLO SOBRE VACUNAS. EN ARGENTINA, LA TENDENCIA ES 100% ALOPATICA, SIN ALTERNATIVAS. LOS LABORATORIOS REGALAN MUESTRAS A RESIDENTES, DESDE EL PRIMER AÑO. LUEGO AUSPICIAN CONGRESOS DE TODO TIPO, EN LUGARES TURISTICOS, CON HOTELES 5 ESTRELLAS PAGOS. DOS DIAS DE CONFERENCIAS, 3 DE DESCANSO.

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  10. Joe   August 5, 2018 at 9:54 pm

    I went through PA school and when taught about vaccines asked the doctor teaching it what to tell parents who say they are afraid. She replied that the fears are groundless and all issues were cleared up. Follow the CDC.
    Now in practice for a few years in urgent care, parents come complaining or high fever or kid not acting right within few days of vaccines, and one recently said the 104 fever isn’t from MMR, as her pediatrician specifically told her the shot can’t give high fever. She must go to the ED. So not only aren’t medical providers taught the facts, but they are in denial even when see otherwise.

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    • Jodi   February 19, 2019 at 11:04 am

      Hi Joe – I also went through PA school. You and I can both attest to the fact that little, to no information is provided on vaccines, vaccine safety, etc. I definitely never thought twice about it causing any kind of damage. Flash forward… My first child was fully vaccinated up to age 2. My second (2.5 years later) had one round of shots before I went down the rabbit hole of research. I’m still not confident in either decision, but I couldn’t knowingly give my child something I hadn’t researched myself. I honestly am so confused and feel like either option could be detrimental. Can you shed some light? From one medical professional to another, I value your opinion. Thanks….

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  11. beth baranard   August 6, 2018 at 8:51 am

    Doctors were also taught that antibiotics were the cure all. Anything in excess becomes a detriment. The fact that the vaccine industry does not recognize this makes all the vaccines dangerous. Anytime medicine is rubber stamped as the cure all abuse and back lash can occur. When we desire a silver bullet to take away all our concerns we open the door for misinformation and monopolies. Buyer beware!

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  12. J.   August 7, 2018 at 10:02 pm

    I suspect that most of the commenters here received the vaccinations that they would deny their children and are doing just fine; and the vaccinations of 20 or 30 years ago were much larger dosages than those given today. If you want to invoke a possible cause of autism it helps to first define the pathophysiology of what it actually is, and that is not settled. The facts are that the vast majority of fully immunized children do just fine and the correlation of autism with commonly given childhood vaccines proves nothing about causation, and that has been well researched.

    Disparaging physicians about what they learned or didn’t learn in medical school is little more than a sideshow. If you dug a little deeper most doctors would tell you that they learned double or triple what they learned in med school in the first 5 years out of residency. Practicing medicine involves a process of life long learning, reading journals, going to conferences, taking board exams, etc.

    Most doctors are well aware of the efforts of big pharma to influence medical practice and can keep it at arms length. If there was any evidence that vaccines were harming children pediatricians would be the FIRST people to stand up for the health of patients.

    Do some real research. Learn about basic immunology, and what vaccines can and cannot do, and how different patients respond to them.

    Nothing in medicine is simple or quick when you get into the nitty gritty details.

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    • Nicole   February 3, 2019 at 6:13 pm

      You took the words right out of my mouth. I’m a second year student currently but I am always disheartened to hear people say “doctors do it for the money” or anything along those lines. No, we do it (or, in my case, will do it one day!) for our patients and communities.

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      • Dvorah Chanah   March 10, 2019 at 1:27 am

        I don’t think MD’s go into debt to the tune of $200,000 or more to hurt patients or as a get rich quick scheme. I know that the vast majority go into medicine to help people.

        I also know who controls the curriculum in most medical schools, that medical school offers little education about nutrition, disparages holistic healing modalities, and that the system sets MD’s up to be their little puppets, so you can pay your student loans off and not lose your medical license. I know that if you deviate from standard-of-care, even if it benefits the patient, you can be called before you medical board, and I know that standard-of-care policies are often set up to benefit insurance companies (federal funds) and drug companies, not the patient. I know that most MD’s are first and foremost answerable to the clinic or hospital, have to push the patients in and out of their office if 10-20 minutes, and must write a certain number of scripts or their clinic/hospital won’t make enough money to keep the lights on — and it’s not cheap to keep a hospital or clinic open.

        I know that doctors/clinic/hospitals do not get much reimbursement for spending 1/2 hour teaching a patient about better lifestyle choices, but are well compensated simply for changing one medication for another. And if they don’t keep up with this hectic schedule, they just might have to find a new practice.

        In short, young, idealistic people enter into medical school idealistic, with the best of intentions, to help, to heal. After a few year, what do they find? They are caught up in a system that doesn’t focus on healing, but on paying the bills, keeping the people mill churning, and they have no way out, because they owe a TON of money. By the time most doctors figure this out, they usually have a mortgage and a family to support.

        I don’t completely blame the doctors, except when they know and they continue in the system in order to preserve their lifestyle, even if they see their patients are being harmed. The real culprit are the policy makers, and the drug companies. They have everyone by the short hairs.

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  13. Laurel   August 9, 2018 at 9:15 am

    Best friend had PhD in medical ph and she told me she had more pharmacology classes than MD’s. Guess side effect treatment more important that prevention—-

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    • Mike   January 25, 2019 at 3:11 pm

      What does that prove except that your friend took different classes from the MDs? Of course your friend had more pharmacology classes: she’s a pharmacology PhD! I’m in medical school right now and we don’t even have a pharmacology class, because all of that information is structured to be included in each block of classes focused on specific organ systems. That information is what is likely to be important in daily clinical practice.

      Unlike for the PhD, there is a national, standardized process by which doctors get certified, called the United States Medical Licensing Exam. Medical knowledge (and thus education) is constantly being updated, and the USMLE takes that into account. What doctors were taught 30 years ago is very different from what we’re taught now, other than anatomy.

      Until an anti-vaxxer reads a scientific paper, or can even tell me what the different tiers of scientific journals are, I don’t want to hear them citing incomplete facts from dubious sources.

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      • George   March 1, 2019 at 11:02 pm

        Here’s your facts Mike. I too am a medical professional but it doesn’t take a medical school education to know that injecting mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, MSG, squalene, egg albumen, gelatin, phenol, antibiotics, GMO viral proteins, human DNA from aborted fetal diploid cells, nagalase, green monkey kidney cells, dog kidney cells, porcine circu virus, Polysorbate 80, TritonX-100, glyphosate (found in 100% of all vaccines made from egg or gelatin), peanut oil, and several other foreign and toxic substances are dangerous and potentially deadly when introduced via vaccination. Many people have DIED from vaccination and many more have been damaged irreversibly… GBS, autism, and autoimmune disease are just a few of the disorders caused by vaccines. Up until recently the vaccine inserts warned that autism was a potential side effect, that has since been removed but many other disorders remain on them. I suggest you read them before giving them to your patients. FIRST DO NO HARM. Never believe the dogma coming from the CDC which owns over 50 patents on vaccines. They make MILLIONS of dollars from them every year… of course they want to sell as many as they can while humanity suffers from these toxic shots.

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        • Dvorah Chanah   March 10, 2019 at 12:53 am

          Thank you!! Encephalopathy and Encephalitis are still listed on many, if not all, vaccine inserts. And guess what THAT can lead to? Autism.

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      • Dvorah Chanah   March 10, 2019 at 1:09 am

        Oh that arrogance…the kind your patients will run from as fast as possible. We’re all tired of it up to our eyeballs and THAT is part of the reason we turn to naturopaths, homeopaths, chiropractors, or integrative MD’s. The arrogance, I can see it a mile away.

        Some of us plebians actually study the scientific literature ourselves. Guess what? You don’t have a monopoly on information anymore. We can buy books on how to read scientific papers, and we can attend lectures by famous, well-respected scientists and researchers on the PhD level and learn.

        I raised a large family and on the rare occasion that I had to walk into a doctor’s clinic, I usually had the diagnosis figured out myself. Of course, I learned to not DARE breathe a word about it to the MD because he or she would get their feathers in a ruffle. But it helped me to check up on them, make sure they were doing their job correctly and treating my kids appropriately.

        The fact of the matter is, modern medicine is a miracle for the following: Congenital defects, acute illnesses gone awry, and trauma. As far as chronic disease, ordinary self-limiting childhood infections like measles, and preventive health care, most modern medical practitioners are too arrogant to learn from other health modalities, and that is your loss, not ours. We will vote with our feet, no matter the pig-headed, shaming verbiage of the average MD.

        Throughout my time raising my children, I did have a few golden MD’s who were willing to share with me what they knew, to take time to listen, and to actually learn a thing or two from me. Because though an MD is no doubt highly educated in their field, and must be ready for whatever walks through their door, they are not experts with me or my family…a little humility and a little listening, and lot of kindness goes a long way. When I found those rare gems, I stuck with them, and referred them to others. And they became some of my favorite people. I have no time for any other kind of doctor, because if you’re not that kind, your no healer. You’re just a well trained, well-paid technician.

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  14. David   September 22, 2018 at 1:22 pm

    “Swine flu: Doctors who refuse vaccine ‘putting patients at risk ..”

    now why would medical staff refuse vaccine when they are recommending them to patients?

    Its called hypocracy at best and criminal… what more proof does one need? Forget the pharma

    science nonsense. Only the uninformed vaccinate.

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  15. David   September 22, 2018 at 1:24 pm

    Germany’s highest court rules there is no such thing as a measles virus!!1

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  16. Alison   October 30, 2018 at 4:53 pm

    5 years in Nursing school and I learned practically NOTHING about vaccines. As a new graduate I started vaccinating small babies in clinics. Parents would ask me questions and I would do my best to nod and smile. I then went on to lead a series of measles vaccination campaigns in rural Africa. Fortunately I woke up before having my own children, but I feel awful for having any part in this

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  17. Nancy Janssens   December 14, 2018 at 11:02 am

    pharma control de medicals schools en they are a criminal organization…it is all about money not about people, they murder people for money…. so many adults and children died, get health problems, get sick, ect…….this is unacceptable. It is shokking to read these comments, that doctors and nurses don`t learn nothing about vaccines, that means they make vaccines for money and not for health issus. the truth always come out.

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  18. Nicole   February 3, 2019 at 6:11 pm

    Hi – current 2nd medical student here. At my school, we took an immunology class where we learn how/why vaccines are created, work, & are effective. Then, in every “system” (GI, cardio, etc) we review how/why/when to administer relevant vaccines & what effect they have on the body.

    For example, you give a child the conjugate strep pneumoniae vaccine which strongly produces IgG but you would administer an IV strep pneumo vaccine to an adult which makes more IgM.

    I would say it is almost tedious how in-depth we study the immunology behind vaccines.

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    • Dvorah Chanah   March 10, 2019 at 1:39 am

      Did you learn that vaccines put an end to smallpox, and polio?

      There’s an alternative to the medical myths:

      https://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Vaccination-A-Mythical-History-by-Roman-Bystrianyk-and-Suzanne-Humphries-MD.pdf

      Dr. Humphries is a physicist, and a board certified nephrologist, who has spend the last 8 (perhaps longer by now) years studying the vaccine issue full time. You can check her out, but everyone, no matter if they are a Nobel prize winner, ends up being discredited if they dare challenge the religion of vaccines. That’s what it is: An irrational, mythological dogma.

      Apart from bureaucratic, mostly mediocre, fraudulent government scientists, there are many Phd level experts in their field who have found plenty of safety issues, and plausible mechanisms by which vaccines can cause autism. The main type of study government or industry scientists use are epidemiological studies, which is unable to definitely prove or disprove causation.

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  19. Nurse Joann   February 11, 2019 at 6:23 pm

    I’ve also heard this and known this to be generally true that doctors and nurses receive comparatively little training and education about vaccinations. To my mind, this is a big problem because these doctors and nurses may have comparatively little background to explain follow-up questions about the dangers of vaccinations and how they work in general to patients and parents alike. But there’s also a different between taking courses in medical school about vaccinations and knowing how to read scientific literature with a fairly complex understanding of statistics. It’s the researchers and statisticians, not the doctors, that I trust most when it comes to weighing the pros and cons of vaccinations. And I say this as someone who works with family practice doctors everyday–though some of them can also just talk and talk about how vaccines work.

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  20. John Collins   March 1, 2019 at 11:22 am

    It is unlikely that you or your child, in the US, will get a vaccine-preventable Disease. So, why vaccinate? It’s like wearing a seatbelt; 99% of the time you are driving, you’re unlikely to need it. Do you have health insurance? Why, most of the time you don’t need it. Immunization protects the individual and society. You might not need it, so if you like to gamble with your health, go ahead. Not every smoker gets lung cancer; in fact, some non-smokers do.

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    • Dvorah Chanah   March 10, 2019 at 12:58 am

      Bad analogy. Seat belts don’t inject toxins in a person, some of which are meant to stick around for years (aluminum hydroxide as an example) and when someone smokes they KNOW they are risking their health and their lives. Vaccines are marketed as something that builds health. They do not.

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  21. Dvorah Chanah   March 10, 2019 at 1:54 am

    To the medical community at large, best get off your high horses and learn what’s at stake, because if the only exemptions parents are left with are difficult to obtain medical exemptions, guess who the liability free vaccine manufacturers are come after next?

    Everyone in the medical community. You’ll ALL have to take the flu shot, or whatever other shot is mandated for you, or lose your jobs. Most adults aren’t caught up. If you don’t stand with your fellow citizens for their right to decide what goes into their bodies, then you can be the first to stand in line and get caught up on ALL your boosters. I propose you do them all in one day, no staggering them so you can cover for one another if your vaccines make you sick. After all, Paul Offit says babies can handle 10,000 vaccines in a day!! Surely you can get all your boosters in one day.

    Nurses, start speaking up for the preemies that can’t speak for themselves who can’t speak for themselves and tell you the HepB on day one is too much for them.We’ve heard the stories ladies. How can you stand by, and do that day after day, just to keep your job?!?

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  22. Dvorah Chanah   March 10, 2019 at 1:57 am

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/44452/malkin-vaccine-skeptics-under-siege-michelle-malkin

    Proof it’s a religion not science.

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  23. Alex P   April 28, 2019 at 5:26 pm

    I am a current DMD student. I can attest to the fact that we were in fact taught what was and is in vaccines. We were taught during immunology and some microbiology courses what is in vaccines, what the differences are, how many components are in them, where the components of some vaccines are sourced (yes including bovine serum ). I cannot attest to older generations receiving this information, but even as a DMD student, whose specialty is not in vaccination of young children, I was taught much more than what the old generation of MDs were taught. The take home message of vaccines was that the risks do not out weigh the benefits. I do believe some vaccines are extra, and that perhaps may be too much for a young child to receive, but i do not believe as a whole people should fear vaccinations. the reason MDs push so many vaccines on young children is because the highest rate of complications and premature death as a result of contraction occur between birth and 4-5 year of age. Before then, young children have virtually no immunity and contact with many of the vaccine preventable disease would likely end with serious neurodegenerative and physical complications. I advise everyone to do their own research and follow their intuition, but please keep in mind the premise is not to sell people on vaccines, it is to ensure survival and healthy living. If you believe your child is at low risk for certain diseases (like HPV or Hep B) then by all means feel free to put off those shots till a later date. MMR and TDap have saved more kids from painful and terrible diseases, than they have caused problems. and thats a fact!

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    • A concerned mother   May 9, 2019 at 9:27 pm

      I am happy to see you are open, could you look up a few more points first?

      – Have the vaccines been safety tested using the gold standard double blind placebo test? With an actual inert placebo, not another vaccine, partial vaccine or adjuvant? If you can’t find any…I would seriously question the “safe and effective” results.

      – Have there been any safety tests regarding the number of vaccines administered in 1 visit? Or had the current CDC schedule of vaccines tested? EVER?

      – Have any vaccines been tested for carcinogenic, mutagenic or infertility issues? When I saw that they didn’t, right on the manufacturer’s insert, it rattled my faith in this industry.

      -What would you consider a reasonable amount of time to test a vaccine? Viagra had multiple placebo groups tested for 4 years. MMR was tested for 42 days. DAYS. The new 6-in-1 vaccine was tested for 30 DAYS and the control group used Pentacel instead of a placebo. Pentacel is a vaccine. How could a safety test be done if a true placebo isn’t used?

      – Are you comfortable with the amount of injuries and deaths associated with vaccines? Over $4 Billion has been paid out to people who have sustained injuries or died. Not a lot of people even know about this.

      -Less then 1% of adverse events are reported to VAERS…why do we know it’s less than 1%? Because the HHS funded a review of VAERS over a three-year period by Harvard Medical School. It involved 715,000 patients and found that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.” Go look at VAERS, pull up how many adverse effects and then think to yourself “this is only less than 1%”. Are you okay with that number?

      I am happy that you are saying the medical students may be getting more education…but is vaccine history part of it? Are you scrutinizing the safety tests themselves or just taking the results as is? Vaccines are a medical intervention with risk. If you want vaccines I respect that. Don’t make it seem like all parents should do it. Talk to an ex-vaxxer, a parent that did it and watched their child succumb to illness after illness…or even died. Talk to them and ask for their story. We are not numbers, statistics or averages. We are people. If vaccines are such a wonder drug, then there should be NO deaths associated with it. I dare you to go up to a parent, whose child that died from a vaccine, and tell them “Thank you for sacrificing your child for the herd” and see what their reaction is.

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