No, You Don’t Have a “Right” to Demand That Others are Vaccinated

No, You Don’t Have a “Right” to Demand That Others are Vaccinated

It’s hard to think of a more fundamental right than the right to determine what happens to one’s own body. Forcing someone to undergo medical treatment against their will violates this most basic of rights—the right to be free from physical assault. Yet even some libertarians1 have jumped on the mandatory vaccination bandwagon, arguing that one person not taking every possible precaution against contracting a disease constitutes an assault against another. But this line of thinking requires some very tortured logic.

What Rights?

To begin with, nobody has a “right” to a germ-free environment outside of their own property (and good luck establishing one there). Proponents of vaccine mandates assert this “right” as if it is a long-standing social or legal norm, but it is not. Human beings have been living among each other for millennia, and there has never been a widely asserted right to freedom from any and all pathogens at others’ expense.

There has, historically, been a widely held and asserted expectation of quarantine in the case of exceptionally dangerous illnesses. However, this is not at all what the proponents of mandated vaccines are calling for. Quarantine is simply the demand that those who are already infected with a disease remain isolated in their homes or elsewhere until they are no longer able to infect others.

This is profoundly different from what the pro-mandate crowd demands: that those who are not infected undergo a medical procedure to minimize their chances of becoming infected. This is a much more intrusive demand and a potentially dangerous2 one.

Seriously? Measles?

Furthermore, measles—the scariest thing the mandate pushers can come up with—is not even on the list of federally quarantinable3 diseases. And rightly so,4 as it hardly5 qualifies as an exceptionally dangerous disease in the developed world.

Long before the vaccine was available, the mortality rate had fallen to around 1 in 10,000 cases,6 and it was widely considered7 to be a benign childhood illness that nearly everyone contracted.

So what has changed in the last few years? How is it that all of a sudden, measles has gone from a disease not even worthy of mandatory quarantine for the infected to one that has generated near-mass hysteria and demands for the far more intrusive forced medical intervention against those who are not infected?

What About Herd Immunity?

In 2016, then-Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson announced1 that he had reversed his position on vaccine mandates and now supported them. The reason? Someone told him about herd immunity:

… I’ve come to find out that without mandatory vaccines, the vaccines that would in fact be issued would not be effective. So … it’s dependent that you have mandatory vaccines so that every child is immune. Otherwise, not all children will be immune even though they receive a vaccine.

Had Johnson looked just a little more deeply, he would have learned that the theory of vaccine-induced herd immunity is not as solid8 as its proponents would have us believe. The idea was first put forward by A.W. Hedrich in 1933, based on his observation9 that measles outbreaks were suppressed when 68 percent of children had contracted the measles virus. This observation had nothing to do with vaccination, as the measles vaccine had not even been developed yet.

This is an important distinction for a few reasons. Perhaps most importantly: While the immunity conferred by contracting measles lasts a lifetime, that conferred by vaccination does not. What this means is that a 90 percent vaccination rate does not equate to 90 percent of the population having immunity. As Dr. Russell Blaylock10 says:

It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given. What this means is that at least half the population, that is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life. In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for decades.

If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95%. Yet, we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50% or less of the population having vaccine protection. That is, herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades and no resurgent epidemics have occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations.

The larger point, though, is that even if the idea of vaccine-induced herd immunity did hold up to scrutiny, it would at best be a positive externality—not something that anyone has the right to demand from others at gunpoint.

But What about Those Who Cannot Be Vaccinated?

Others have written11 more comprehensively on the fallacy12 of using13 medically fragile people as an excuse for forcing everyone to be vaccinated. So I’ll just say this: Nobody has an obligation to vaccinate themselves or their children in order to protect the most medically vulnerable among us.

My own daughter is intellectually disabled and suffers from seizures. Much of the outside world is a dangerous and scary place where she could easily be badly hurt or worse. Yet I would never dream of using force to compel those around me to make the world safe for my daughter. Keeping her safe is my job and my husband’s job—not everyone else’s.

I doubt that those who promote this line of thinking have really thought through the implications of what they are asking for: requiring everyone to alter their lives and actions in order to accommodate the most medically fragile, at all times and in all spaces. What they are demanding has implications far beyond vaccines.

Adults Too?

And if they really do believe that not being vaccinated constitutes a form of aggression against others, then why confine their demands to children? Why should you and I and the vast majority of all adults in the US be exempt from the requirement to be completely up to date on all of the14 vaccines the CDC15 and its pharmaceutical industry cronies16 17 18 have decided we should have? Are we not also committing aggression every day we go out in public, exposing others to diseases we do not yet have but might possibly contract?

Of course, if disease transmission is really what the proponents of vaccine mandates are worried about, then they should also demand that those recently vaccinated19 with live-virus vaccines not be allowed in schools or any public spaces. And if they aren’t demanding this, then one has to wonder whether the transmission of disease really is their primary concern.

The bottom line, though, has nothing to do with the science behind vaccines, nor with herd immunity, nor competing claims about vaccine safety and vaccine harm. Nor does it have to do with how serious diseases like measles are or are not. It is simply this: You do not have the right to force a medical procedure on another person.

This is libertarian thinking 101. You are free to do whatever you wish with what is yours—and other people are not yours. You do not own them, and you do not get to make decisions over their bodies and their lives. You may exclude them from your property if you wish, but you may not force them to undergo medical (or non-medical) procedures against their will. You don’t even have to be a libertarian to understand this. The right to bodily integrity, to be free from assault, is the most fundamental of all human rights. If it is not protected, then no other rights even matter.


Note: This article was reprinted with the author’s permission. It was originally published by the Foundation for Economic Education (FEE). Bretigne Shaffer was a journalist in Asia for many years. She is now a mom, independent writer and author of “Urban Yogini: A Superhero Who Can’t Use Violence“, and the upcoming “Annabel Pickering and the Sky Pirates.” She blogs at On the Banks

This article or commentary provides referenced information and perspective on a topic related to vaccine science, policy, law or ethics being discussed in public forums and by U.S. lawmakers. The websites of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) provide information and perspective of federal agencies responsible for vaccine research, development, regulation and policymaking.

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5 Solomon L. Lawrence Solomon: The untold story of measles. Financial Post Apr. 16, 2014.
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7 Measles, Back In The Days Before The Marketing Of The Vaccine. YouTube (published Oct. 9, 2014).
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14 CDC. Table 1. Recommended Child and Adolescent Immunization Schedule for ages 18 years or younger, United States, 2019. CDC.gov.
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19 Manookian L. Public Health Officials Know: Recently Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease. The Weston A. Price Foundation Mar. 3, 2015.

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45 Responses to "No, You Don’t Have a “Right” to Demand That Others are Vaccinated"

  1. Jay   April 11, 2019 at 11:33 pm

    Excellent! Thank you for republishing this article. I encourage everyone reading to get involved with NVIC activism portal on their site and fight against mandatory vaccination and for maintaining all exemptions, medical, philosophical and religious, in your state!

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  2. peter asher   April 11, 2019 at 11:42 pm

    Re- arguing that one person not taking every possible precaution against contracting a disease constitutes an assault against another.

    If that were so than everyone would be obligated to consume only organic food free from preservatives and chemical residue, consume minimal sugar, not smoke. drink or use drugs, get sufficient sleep and exercise, and soft drinks would be banished.

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  3. vana spear   April 12, 2019 at 12:27 am

    How can an unvaccinated child infect a vaccinated child???

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    • Jeri   April 12, 2019 at 6:20 pm

      I ask this same question and provaxxers never answer.

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    • J T   April 13, 2019 at 9:35 am

      Their argument is that an unvaccinated child might expose another unvaccinated child who can’t receive a vaccine because of an existing medical condition.

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      • Redpill   April 13, 2019 at 4:00 pm

        I get hit with that often on comment boards: “unvaccinated child might expose another unvaccinated child who can’t receive a vaccine because of an existing medical condition.”

        When this happens I direct them to the CDC’s own website which says the immunocompromised can be vaccinated by following certain protocols laid out on their website, it just depends on each individual circumstances. For example: In 2010 according to the CDC website there were 217 HIV positive kids in the US. CDC says Inactivated vaccines are safe for immunocompromised people. The CDC says that the benefits of vaccinating immunocompromised children aged 6 through 18 with both Prevnar 7 and Prevnar 13 outweigh the harm.

        The CDC goes even further to declare all inactivated vaccines safe for the immunosuppressed to use. Live virus vaccines are safe for immunocompromised children, too.

        -Primary immunodeficiency disease & Kidney & spleen failure:
        There aren’t any vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children living with the most common form of primary immunodeficiency disease can’t get. Children can get these shot after they finish treatment.
        -Pediatric organ transplants, Pediatric cancer: There are only three vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children currently on chemotherapy can’t get: the MMR, chickenpox, and the nasal FluMist.
        Children can get these shot after they finish treatment.

        This is on the CDC’s website. I also tell people who make this complaint if a child is immunocompromised you need to keep the away from recently vaccinated kids like St. Judes says on their patient visitor guide. Vaccinated kids ar contagious.

        Are there children in America who are so immunocompromised that they may become seriously ill if they are exposed to measles, chickenpox, the flu, the MMR vaccine, the chickenpox vaccine, or the live flu vaccine?
        Absolutely. They should be protected as their parents deem appropriate.
        But not to the point that other children are sacrificed for their safety.

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        • Erin   April 14, 2019 at 7:57 pm

          Wow really. I”m appalled at the ignorance on this article and the responses so here’s your example. More than 6000 people are diagnosed each year with acute lymphoblastic leukemia (that’s just one type and they are mostly children). My husband is one of them. Most of those go on to receive bone marrow transplants. Those transplant patients go through a rigorous amount of chemotherapy that essentially kills off everything within their body and their ability to fight infection such as the measles outbreak. They are unable to at that time to go on with vaccines despite your theory that people can get them whenever they want. Their bodies are not strong enough to take on the vaccines. All vaccines they had as children will be readministered after they are recovered from the transplant. Their bodies are essentially that I’ve newborn babies only much weaker. For my husband that was about a year and a half after his bone marrow transplant. That means that during that year and a half, we had to be extremely careful not to expose him to any illnesses. Because you choose not to vaccinate against things like measles are putting these patients at risk. Measles spreads very quickly because it is so highly contagious and it is lethal to immunocompromised people such as my husband. Do some research.

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          • Redpill   April 15, 2019 at 10:22 pm

            I feel for your husband. Think of this though. Society is not your personal gate keeper. Sorry to be harsh but I’m tired of people like you who want others to sacrifice for them.

            Immunocompromised people didn’t just smurf out of the blue in the last 20 years. There have always been people who immune systems have been weakened for one reason or another. The whole pro-vaccine agenda of vaccinating to protecting immunocompromised is just another con. Like the mythical Herd Immunity. Do you have any idea just how many COMMUNICABLE DISEASES there are that have NO vaccines for? Do some research on that. You think you’re worried now? If your husband is so medically fragile-getting a bad cold could kill him. There is no vaccine for the common cold. Norovirus- very common, more than 3 million US cases per year, spreads easily-No Vaccine. Strep throat-No vaccine. The Flu. There are over 200 flu strains in the labs at the CDC, flu shot has up to 4 and they have been wrong for the last decade. But if it makes you feel better knowing your husband is sitting next to a person vaccinated for the Flu shot-bless your heart.

            Flu shot shed: CDC Funded Study Shows the Vaccinated Shed 6.3 Times More Flu Virus, Just by Breathing- https://thewilddoc.com/cdc-funded-study-shows-the-vaccinated-shed-6-3-times-more-flu-virus-just-by-breathing/
            MMR tells you right on the package insert this: “Excretion of small amounts of the live attenuated rubella virus from the nose or throat has occurred in the majority of susceptible individuals 7 to 28 days after vaccination.”
            -Journal of Microbiology: During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees (3). Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data).
            Plain English, measles outbreaks were occurring among children who were already vaccinated with the measles. If you do the math, nearly 38% of the genetic sequences that were conducted on supposed “measles” cases turned out to identify measles strains that originated in the vaccines themselves. Thus, more than one out of three cases of measles in the United States was actually a reaction from a measles vaccine, not “wild-type” measles. https://jcm.asm.org/content/55/3/735

            -Arch Intern Med. 1994 Aug 22;154(16):1815-20. Failure to reach the goal of measles elimination. Apparent paradox of measles infections in immunized persons. Poland GA1, Jacobson RM. -Paper: The Re-Emergence of Measles in Developed Countries: Time to Develop the Next-Generation Measles Vaccines? The measles vaccine has failed, he explained two years ago in a prescient paper, “The re-emergence of measles in developed countries.” In that paper, he warned that due to factors that most haven’t noticed, measles has come back to be a serious public health threat. Poland sees the need for a major rethink, after concluding that the current measles vaccine is unlikely to ever live up to the job expected of it: “outbreaks are occurring even in highly developed countries where vaccine access, public health infrastructure, and health literacy are not significant issues. Dr. Gregory Poland is Professor of Medicine and founder and leader of Mayo Clinic’s Vaccine Research Group. Poland is one of the world’s most admired, most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology.

            -Chickenpox Attributable to a Vaccine Virus Contracted From a Vaccinee With Zoster: Five months after 2 siblings were immunized with varicella vaccine, 1 developed zoster. Two weeks later the second sibling got a mild case of chicken pox. Virus isolated from the latter was found to be vaccine type. Thus, the vaccine strain was transmitted from the vaccinee with zoster to his sibling. Vaccinees who later develop zoster must be considered contagious. https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/106/2/e28.full.

            -Whooping Cough: The study, titled: “Acellular Pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model,” used infant baboons to test the hypothesis that “current acellular pertussis vaccines fail to prevent colonization and transmission” of B. Pertussis. (there is no vaccine for Bordetella Pertussis virus)
            Lead author Tod Merkel did comment to the New York Times that when exposed to B. Pertussis after recently getting vaccinated, you could be an asymptomatic carrier and infect others, saying:

            “When you’re newly vaccinated, you are an asymptomatic carrier, which is good for you, but not for the population.” According to Tod Merkel of the FDA, it has now become clear that the vaccine does almost nothing to prevent the spread of whooping cough. Although it does seem to prevent about 80 percent of people from showing symptoms of the disease, it does not prevent them from catching it or spreading it.

            Most current study:
            Study: Whooping cough resurgence due to vaccinated people not knowing they’re infectious? From study/article:
            “a detailed epidemiological model of whooping cough transmission to conclude that acellular vaccines may well have contributed to — even exacerbated — the recent pertussis outbreak by allowing infected individuals without symptoms to unknowingly spread pertussis multiple times in their lifetimes.

            ‘There could be millions of people out there with just a minor cough or no cough spreading this potentially fatal disease without knowing it,’ said Althouse. ‘The public health community should act now to better assess the true burden of pertussis infection.’

            What’s worse, their model shows that if the disease can be spread through vaccinated, asymptomatic individuals essentially undetected, the level of vaccination needed to protect those that are unvaccinated
            (so-called ‘herd immunity’) is over 99 percent, impractically high at a time when anti-vaccine campaigns are turning people away from vaccination.
            clinicalnews(dot)org/2015/06/24/study-whooping-cough-resurgence-due-to-vaccinated-people-not-knowing-theyre-infectious/comment-page-1/. From study/article:

            St. Jude Children Hospital Visiting guidelines- https://www.stjude.org/treatment/patient-resources/caregiver-resources/patient-family-education-sheets/prevent-control-infection/visiting-guidelines.html
            • Many St. Jude patients have weak immune systems. Visitors should not enter the hospital if they are sick or have been exposed to illnesses that are easy to spread (contagious).
            • Some vaccines are made from live viruses, which can pose a threat to the health of St. Jude patients. Visitors should not enter the hospital:
            • If they have received the oral polio or smallpox vaccine within 4 weeks; or
            • If they have rashes after receiving the chickenpox (varicella) vaccine.

            Notice how St. Jude requested VACCINATED PEOPLE not visit. Not the UNVACCINATED.

            If someone you know is having treatment: Do not bring children if they are unwell, have been with other children with an infection, or have had recent vaccinations. https://www.macmillan.org.uk/information-and-support/treating/stem-cell-and-bone-marrow-transplants/stem-cell-and-bone-marrow-transplants-explained/someone-you-know-having-treatment.html
            You need to take your own advice: Research.

        • Carol   April 14, 2019 at 11:13 pm

          It’s mind-blowing reading the CDC’s recommendations that all these fragile immunocompromised children receive all these vaccines. It becomes absolutely obvious that they only care about pushing maximum vaccines rather than looking out for the health of our people. My guess is that they want to make absolutely sure that no doctor can give a medical exemption to an immunocompromised child.
          https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00023141.htm

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          • Redpill   April 18, 2019 at 2:51 pm

            Vaccinated people are contagious.

            St. Jude Children Hospital Visiting guidelines- https://www.stjude.org/treatment/patient-resources/caregiver-resources/patient-family-education-sheets/prevent-control-infection/visiting-guidelines.html

            • Many St. Jude patients have weak immune systems. Visitors should not enter the hospital if they are sick or have been exposed to illnesses that are easy to spread (contagious).
            • Some vaccines are made from live viruses, which can pose a threat to the health of St. Jude patients. Visitors should not enter the hospital:
            • If they have received the oral polio or smallpox vaccine within 4 weeks; or
            • If they have rashes after receiving the chickenpox (varicella) vaccine.

            Cancer patients can also be vaccinated according to the CDC if they so chose.

            – Pediatric cancer. CDC website.

            How many kids in the US are on chemotherapy at any time? I couldn’t find that number, but about 10,000 kids under age 15 are diagnosed with cancer each year (that’s an average of 200 per state), but not all types of cancer respond to chemotherapy.

            {Side thought: as tragic as that number is, the number of new cases of autism diagnosed at the rate of 1 in 68 comes to 58,000 per year, but the real rate today is not 1 in 68. It’s probably double that — the 2014 statistic is based on kids born in 2002 — which is more than 10 times the number of kids diagnosed with cancer.}

            What about vaccinating kids currently on chemotherapy? Their doctors say they’re free to get shots for everything but the MMR and chickenpox, which are given later when they’re in remission. The 7-year-old boy whose father wanted to ban the unvaccinated from his school got his first post-chemo vaccine a few weeks after his story went viral. What was the vaccine? The MMR, of course, because the polio and DTaP vaccines aren’t contraindicated for chemo.

            So which vaccines are contraindicated for kids currently in chemotherapy?

            There are only three vaccines on the childhood schedule that school-aged children currently on chemotherapy can’t get: the MMR, chickenpox, and the nasal FluMist. Once they finish treatment they are free to get their shots.

            The operative words are “currently on chemotherapy”.

      • Redpill   April 18, 2019 at 5:08 pm

        You made this comment 3 times. Do you have early onset of Dementia?

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  4. MBerman   April 12, 2019 at 12:43 am

    The writer for this in my opinion is absolutely accurate and definitely adheres to the type of American justice back when we were all considered sovereign entities that should have that liberty to choose what is appropriate for our own bodies.

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  5. Laura   April 12, 2019 at 6:35 am

    Great article, but the links to references are not working. Can this be addressed?

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  6. Lisa   April 12, 2019 at 7:16 am

    Gary Johnson is an opportunist who has run under every party at one time or another…he’s not a libertarian. Mandatory ANYTHING would be about as non-libertarian as it gets.
    -a libertarian

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  7. Seth   April 12, 2019 at 7:47 am

    It looks like there is a typo or extra phrase in this paragraph. You may want to fix it:

    Long before the vaccine was available, the mortality rate had fallen to around 1 in 10,000 cases,6 qualifies as an exceptionally dangerous disease in the developed world. and it was widely considered7 to be a benign childhood illness that nearly everyone contracted.

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  8. Redpill   April 12, 2019 at 8:44 am

    I always say to those who make this sort of statement/demand:

    “Why should any parent set their child on fire to keep someone else’s child from burning.”

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  9. Constanze Asaad   April 12, 2019 at 10:09 am

    I completed agree with this entire article. Disease and Germ phobias are running rampant in this country but these fears are created by Big Pharma to change our thinking and allow and accept vaccinations and medications. We need to focus on vitamins, clean food and water and consumption of health enhancing foods and avoid anything that is toxic to our health. It’s really that simple although I will say that its execution is not quite so easy because of the world we live in.

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    • Jeanne   April 12, 2019 at 11:49 am

      100% agree, so true!

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  10. JohnW   April 12, 2019 at 12:05 pm

    While my mind comprehend took in where you wrote, ” if disease transmission is really what the proponents of vaccine mandates are worried about, then…., I thought, oh boy! Here is where she tells them about the utter hypocritical lack of concern over the 3rd world “typhoid Mary’s”, spilling over our border, reintroducing diseases we had one eradicate.

    Ms. Shaffer, have a look at this site. Notice the prevalence of disease outbreaks south of our border, and then take note of those same outbreaks along our border. Draw your own conclusion.

    http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/

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  11. Lisa E   April 12, 2019 at 12:42 pm

    So well put. In the ethical debate, the right to bodily integrity trumps the ‘right’ to a germ free environment…since the environment is never free of germs anyway.

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  12. Michael   April 12, 2019 at 1:28 pm

    Excellent article, very succinct and well written. If we could manage to have some reasonable discussion about this topic, it would benefit everyone!

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  13. Pam Morris   April 12, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    I applaud you for your courage and rational thought about the vaccine issue.
    These are socialist/communist, (the greater good) values being pushed down our throats. We need to stop this very slippery slope.

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  14. silvrwood   April 12, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    Thanks so much for this well-positioned argument. I’m hoping you could just clarify this paragraph:

    “Long before the vaccine was available, the mortality rate had fallen to around 1 in 10,000 cases, qualifies as an exceptionally dangerous disease in the developed world. and it was widely considered to be a benign childhood illness that nearly everyone contracted.”

    I’m wondering if “qualifies as an exceptionally dangerous disease in the developed world” should be omitted or if it is missing a few words, such as “it no longer,” with a comma at the end of “world.” Since it’s such a great argument, I’d like to share it without others dismissing it over something as banal as a proofreading error.

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    • J T   April 13, 2019 at 9:42 am

      I caught that also & thought that perhaps “which hardly” qualifies is what was meant (& would make sense.)

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    • Bretigne   April 14, 2019 at 5:24 pm

      Silvrwood,

      Yes, it does look like that is a typo. Thanks for finding it – looks like some words from the previous paragraph got inserted into the one you quote.

      It is correct in the original, here: https://fee.org/articles/libertarians-for-forced-vaccinations/

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    • Carol   April 14, 2019 at 10:58 pm

      Yes, I went to the original article and “qualifies as as an exceptionally dangerous disease in the developed world” should be omitted.

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  15. TD   April 13, 2019 at 9:04 am

    Proponents of 19th and 20th century thinking are pushing their ideologies down our throats. They don’t understand some of us have moved forward. Epigenetics, as well as other technological and biological advances have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that the only way we will evolve is if we let go of the arrogant notion that we have the power to control every virus on the planet. The folly of many scientists is that they focus on the germs, instead of focusing on BALANCING over-challenged immune systems of a majority of Humanity. We now have antibodies super-charged against our bodies because of autoimmune, chronic, inflammatory responses to foreign and synthetic substances placed arbitrarily into our bodies as experimental test subjects. Is it a coincidence that doctors have no idea how to address autoimmune diseases and illnesses? Not at all. Because they are trained only to administer the medicine that triggers autoimmune responses, and not taught to remove it for a growing number of people unable to metabolize it out of their bodies. The arrogance is unreal. It comes from the superiority complex doctors have, combined with mandates from pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies to rely only on chemical means of ‘treating.’ We know there is healing in newer (and some suppressed older) technologies. Pharma is the biggest, most harmful, and dangerous drug cartel on the planet, backed by the strongest military force on the planet. The People don’t want their products, so they’re forcing them. We are awakening to this control, and instead of fighting back, we are creating our own separate paradigms that move us away from their control tactics. Help them fail attenuation, rather than attrition.

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  16. Marilyn   April 13, 2019 at 9:57 am

    I agree with silvrwood’s comment. Please edit paragraph 6 so this otherwise excellent article flows without confusion.

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  17. Ellen Rixford   April 13, 2019 at 10:35 am

    The problems with the MMR are: 1. it isn’t safe. There have been NO valid safety tests; the one experiment the CDC did showed beyond doubt that the MMR causes symptoms on the autism spectrum, especially for very young African-American males.The CDC destroyed the experimental results. Only one of its officials, Dr. Bill Thompson, kept his copies of it and has been waiting to testify to this crime in Congress. Because of huge campaign contributions to politicians made by BigPharma, it is nearly impossible for information about vaccine dangers to be discussed in government. Many cases of permanent crippling damage from this toxic vaccine have been recorded in the Vaccine Adverse Event Recording System, or VAERS. 2. The MMR vaccine has been shown to actually infect patients with measles and mumps. There are a considerable number of vaccine-induced cases recorded of both diseases from this dangerous vaccine. 3. If the MMR doesn’t cause the very illnesses it was meant to protect against, it instead can delay their onset. Measles, Mumps, and Rubella at a later age….in late adolescence or adulthood can result in far more serious damage to the body…deafness or sterility. 4. The MMR vaccine is far more dangerous than actual measles. In the last 10 years in the USA there have been no more than 3 deaths from measles reported by the CDC. In the same time period, same population, there have been at lease 445 deaths from the MMR reported by the VAERS. This means that the MMR vaccine causes over 100+ times more deaths than the actual wild, or ordinary form of measles!

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  18. Tom Kennedy   April 13, 2019 at 12:44 pm

    Just as with the gun-rights issue, geo-engineering issue, global-warming issue, fiat currency / debt issue, never-ending war issue, etc. our subversive politicians KNOW the truth and have access to the truth just like we do. People, they are doing all of these things to us ON PURPOSE and BY DESIGN! Stop thinking that we will change things by educating THEM! We are in a war for our survival! When we fight for only one of these good causes we are just hacking at the branches of the tree of tyranny that they are imposing on us – we MUST cut at the roots! YOU have to wake up to the WHOLE problem and then wake up more of YOUR family and friends!

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  19. Patricia   April 13, 2019 at 5:46 pm

    The media is to blame for orchestrating hysteria over vaccines. They are responsible for turning parent against parent by their incessant biased promotion of the (unproven) safety of these insidious vaccines.

    It is every parent’s duty to protect THEIR child and cannot nor should not expect anyone else to have that responsibility. They are brainwashed by fear of mild childhood illnesses which had declined to virtually zero before vaccines were introduced.

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  20. Sven Bouwmeester   April 14, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    “Long before the vaccine was available, the mortality rate had fallen to around 1 in 10,000 cases.”

    True, before 1960 the number of people dying decreased as standards of living and health care improved. But morality only measure people dying. The number of people getting sick with the disease (the incidence) did not change until vaccines came along.

    To determine if a vaccin works you need to look at the incidence of disease, not morality. This always drops.

    So i dont really see a credible argument to not vaccinate

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    • Marco Caceres   April 15, 2019 at 3:09 pm

      Please read the following two articles:

      The Story of Measles’ Sharp Decline
      https://thevaccinereaction.org/2016/04/the-story-of-measles-sharp-decline/

      Drop in Measles Cases in 1960s Coincided With End of “Baby Boomer” Babies
      https://thevaccinereaction.org/2019/01/drop-in-measles-cases-in-1960s-coincided-with-end-of-baby-boomer-babies/

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    • Redpill   April 15, 2019 at 10:33 pm

      1. Could you please provide one INDEPENDENT Randomized Double-Blind, Inert Placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

      2.Could you please provide scientific evidence on ANY study which can confirm the long-term safety and effectiveness of vaccines?

      3. Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?

      4. Could you please provide scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?

      5. Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?

      6. Could you please provide scientific justification on how bypassing the respiratory tract (or mucous membrane) is advantageous and how directly injecting viruses into the bloodstream enhances immune functioning and prevents future infections?

      7. Could you please provide scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?

      8. Could you please provide scientific justification as to how a vaccination can target a virus in an infected individual who does not have the exact viral configuration or strain the vaccine was developed for?

      Only Independent scientific studies are acceptable.

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  21. Pittsburgh Gal   April 15, 2019 at 1:02 am

    There is a SCOTUS ruling from 2012-2013, in part which states that any invasive procedure, done without a person’s consent, is considered a violation of the 4th amendment right to privacy of the person. I encourage all to read and urge you to USE it when the these issue comes up! I used it as an argument when the Allegheny Health Dept. attempted to mandate Gardasil several years ago! Here is the link to the ruling: http://thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2013/us-supremedui.pdf

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  22. Nancy   April 15, 2019 at 10:01 am

    Really, by the pro vax logic about protecting those who are medically fragile, everybody receiving vaccines should be quarantined. And the medical profession knows this. That is why you will see signs at medical facilities stating that individuals who have been recently sick or recently vaccinated do not enter certain areas. So why aren’t vaccinations being given in a special facility where you receive the injection and then are quarantined until the contamination period is over? Why? Because it’s not really about protecting those who are medically fragile.

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  23. Sankari   April 15, 2019 at 11:51 pm

    The shocking truth about vaccines: https://imgur.com/a/Stgqj

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    • Redpill   April 17, 2019 at 7:46 pm

      Pictures speak for themselves.
      Medically mutilated by vccine
      https://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/640/Misc/Medically-Mutilated-by-Vaccines.jpg

      -A two-year-old boy devastated by a small pox vaccine. As reported by Reuters:
      A two-year-old boy who developed a serious reaction to his father’s smallpox vaccination has recovered but disease detectives found infectious virus all over his house, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Thursday. A photo of the boy’s stomach is seen in a handout photo from the University of Chicago’s Comer Children’s Hospital. The boys father was in the military and had been given the Smallpox vaccine before deployment. The child was infected as well as his mother. VIRAL VACCINE SHEDDING.
      https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/toddler-survives-smallpox-vaccine-reacti-idUSN1744524120070518.

      Ian Larsen Gromowski. Child died of an adverse reaction to the hepatitis B vaccine
      https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1586685_hb_jpeg36788dbd066540ff4134436c38e7211e
      -http://www.iansvoice.org/

      -As of November 30, 2018, there have been more than 92,844 reports of measles vaccine reactions, hospitalizations, injuries and deaths following measles vaccinations made to the federal Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), including 457 related deaths, 6,902 hospitalizations, and 1,736 related disabilities. Over 50% of those adverse events occurred in children three years old and under.
      -https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX%5b%5d=MEA&VAX%5b%5d=MER&VAX%5b%5d=MM&VAX%5b%5d=MMR&VAX%5b%5d=MMRV&VAXTYPES%5b%5d=Measles&DIED=Yes&VAX_YEAR_HIGH=2018&VAX_MONTH_HIGH=11

      -https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX%5b%5d=MEA&VAX%5b%5d=MER&VAX%5b%5d=MM&VAX%5b%5d=MMR&VAX%5b%5d=MMRV&VAXTYPES%5b%5d=Measles&VAX_YEAR_HIGH=2018&VAX_MONTH_HIGH=11.

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  24. Karen D Runge   April 16, 2019 at 9:23 am

    Measles has quadrupled so far this year in the US, because of ignorance mostly. Really, measles isn’t a dangerous disease? Tell that to the parent of the child who contracts pneumonia or encephalitis because of their exposure.
    Our parent’s generation knew the horrors of disease without vaccinations. But now parents don’t realize how important vaccinations are, and so exercise their “rights” to ignorance.

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    • Marco Caceres   April 17, 2019 at 3:04 pm

      Please watch and remember:

      Measles… Back in the Day
      https://thevaccinereaction.org/2017/03/measles-back-in-the-day/

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    • Redpill   April 17, 2019 at 6:55 pm

      Wow a blast from the past of former trolls. The old our grandparent/parents generation knew the horrors of diseases. Next you’ll be using the just walk thru any cemetery and look at the graves of children before the 1960’s. When is the last time you been to a cemetery? They don’t list cause of death on tombstones. FYI: I think you are a troll but I’ll play.

      Yes, they knew the horrors of disease as we know the horror of vaccination for those diseases. BTW: Can you be really specific instead of making general comment without anything to support what you’re saying–like death certificates of all the people who died horrible deaths from vaccine preventable diseases. That will be a tall order because until the 1960’s there were only 3 vaccines Smallpox, Polio came in the 1950 and Pertussis.

      Smallpox was a toxic and dangerous disease and killed more people than it helped according to statics:
      Vaccines Did Not save us: https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/. Dr. Thomas Mack, foremost authority on Smallpox says mass vaccination did not eliminate Smallpox:
      “If people are worried about endemic smallpox, it disappeared from this country not because of our mass herd immunity. It disappeared because of our economic development. And that’s why it disappeared from Europe and many other countries, and it will not be sustained here, even if there were several importations, I’m sure. It’s not from universal vaccination.’
      http://www.vaclib.org/news/drmacks.htm

      Polio vaccine caused Polio which is why it was removed from the schedule as admitted by the CDC. Interesting that AFM has been on the rise since the CDC put Polio back on the schedule. AFM is clinically indistinguishable from Polio. But they cal it Polio like symptoms. Just like Measles like symptoms which when tested in a lab turns out to be measles from the vaccine.

      Pertussis has killed hundreds of children. Manufactures were sued by parents which almost decimated the vaccine makes which promoted them to go to Congress and threatened to stop making vaccine is the US unless they stop the lawsuits. Thus they were given blanket immunity from liability.

      Where is the data for you statement? Please provide.

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  25. Wendi   April 16, 2019 at 12:04 pm

    Erin: Do you question at all that the majority of those 6000 a year infected with leukemia are children? There is growing evidence that contaminated vaccines themselves are causing many cancers and it’s during early childhood that so many of these vaccines are administered. The link below is just one example of what the public doesn’t see:

    https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCqdLft6IS3g&h=AT2lWKKfZUXSHaSPUj7mdmMkWEZHNTsE7QMVay21bHupMjvA6AUlXC-Z5D_CcquYJ4FC2-ZiPNoOgfRAFOxqFBhtMK02ArSqIfH5eAM-r-pmMegCwaDki2ecuM2Pwmvx7t9Seg&s=1

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