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U.S. Presidential Candidate Hounded for Saying Vaccine Mandates are ‘Draconian’ and ‘Orwellian’

Marianne Williamson

During a campaign speech she gave in Manchester, New Hampshire on June 19, 2019, Democratic presidential candidate Marianne Williamson characterized government mandates requiring children to get vaccinated as “draconian” and “Orwellian.” According to NBC News reporter Julia Jester who covered the event, Williamson said, “To me, it’s no different than the abortion debate. The U.S. government doesn’t tell any citizen, in my book, what they have to do with their body or their child.”1 2 3 4 5 6

Williamson added:

I’ve met very sincere, very smart people on both sides of the vaccine issue. I understand that infectious diseases are no small deal. But I have to say I know, as a mother, if you’re telling me that I have to put a needle in the arm of my baby and I don’t feel good about what’s in that needle, I’m not sure about that.7

The  morning after she made those comments, Williamson was immediately attacked by the media and issued the first of a series of apologies. Via Twitter, she wrote:

I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.1 2 3 4 6

But the media would have none of it. Later in the day, Williamson appeared on the television talk show The View and encountered aggressive questioning from the show’s five hosts, who appeared to be concerned that she was a closet “anti-vaxxer.” Williamson was grilled several times about whether she did or did not support mandatory vaccinations. Each time, she avoided answering the question directly, which had the effect of fueling the talk show hosts’ skepticism about her position.

In response to a question from co-host Meghan McCain regarding Williamson’s “draconian” and “Orwellian” comments on vaccine mandates, Williamson said:

I think I misspoke in that one sentence. But I’d like to express myself. The fact that you have a problem with the revolving door policy by which Big Pharma and the CDC and the FDA are so cozy so that millions of Americans who are not anti-science and are not anti-vaccine have some deep concerns, the days of blind faith in Big Pharma are over, the days of blind faith in the idea that our government agencies are doing the proper oversight and proper advocacy for the American people against, at times, the overreach of profit-making industries that are putting money before people… that is not an irrational or unreasonable thing.8

But McCain was not satisfied with the lengthy answer, so she asked a follow-up question seeking clarification… “Now you’re okay with mandatory vaccinations?”8

Williamson responded: “It’s not that now I’m okay, I haven’t changed since yesterday. I misspoke on that one sentence. But I will say this, when I am president of the United States there will be a commission of scientists, learning so that the American people see what’s going on with these vaccines, who are not paid by Big Pharma.”8

In a roundabout way, what Williamson seemed to be saying is that she is not a fan of vaccine mandates. While she says she regrets having used words like “draconian” and “Orwellian” to describe such mandates, she appears to be wary whether the government is doing a good enough job regulating the safety and effectiveness of vaccines that are produced and sold by drug companies. Williamson’s proposal to set up a commission of independent scientists to “see what’s going on with these vaccines” suggests that she is not entirely sold on the popular narrative that “vaccines are safe and effective” and she believes there is room for improvement.

However, co-host Sunny Hostin was not satisfied with Williamson’s response. She clearly wanted a yes or no answer on the question of vaccine mandates. Hostin followed up, “I don’t know that you’ve answered Meghan’s question. Do you support mandatory vaccination?”8

“I understand that public safety must come first. But I also understand that we must have a balance between public safety and the issue of individual freedom. I do not trust the propaganda on either side, Williamson said.8

At that point, co-host Joy Behar, who was clearly frustrated, interrupted saying, “I know, but this kind of nebulous answer makes people paranoid. Yes or no?”8

Looking exasperated, Williamson gave up trying to make her point and simply offered the most succinct and safest answer she could think of to put an end to grilling: “I support vaccines. I support vaccines.”8

Unfortunately for Williamson, certain media outlets have decided to drill down on her for taking a centrist, rather than a polarized, position. Some journalists and news commentators appear to suspect that, while Williamson may lament her choice of words in describing her opinion about vaccine mandates, if she opposes forcing or coercing people to get vaccinated, then she is “anti-science” and “anti-vaccine.”

Apparently, it is no longer enough to support the availability and use of vaccines. In order to avoid being tagged with the “anti-science” and “anti-vaxxer” labels, one must wholeheartedly believe in and publicly support the idea that government officials and doctors should force people to submit to medical procedures such as vaccination without their consent.

On July 17, 2019, Williamson tweeted, “Misrepresentations of my work are in high gear this morning, so just in case it need be said: I am not anti-vaxx. I am pro-science & medicine.”9

It should be noted that supporting government vaccine recommendations is not exactly the same as supporting forced use of all government recommended vaccines without the informed consent of individuals or parents of minor children.

On July 30, Williamson appeared on MSNBC’s “The Beat With Ari Melber” and, again, her draconian and Orwellian remarks were raised. Williamson responded:

Well, the issue of draconian and Orwellian… This is the issue. When I was a child, we took far fewer vaccines and there was much less bundling and there was much less chronic illness. I don’t know why… you know, this is not a topic that I have consciously chosen to, this is not some big topic for me. … What I’m saying is that in 1986, there was this vaccine protection law, and there have been $4 billion in vaccine compensation payments that have been made, and there was much less chronic [illness]. There was something like 12 percent chronic illness among our children previous to that law and there’s 54 percent now. … You know, what is going on here?10

I want more scientific research [on vaccines]. I want more scientific research that is not paid for by Big Pharma. In a Williamson administration, there will be more scientific review, more science. … I want less scientific review that is paid for by Big Pharma.10

Seeking clarification regarding Williamson’s position on government vaccine mandates, program host Ari Melber pressed, “Just so we’re clear, your view, though, of federal or state government vaccination requirements is they are valid or you may oppose them?”10

Again, Williamson resisted being pigeon-holed…

Absolutely. With any medical intervention, there are benefits and there are risks. The government always has to come down on the side of the public good. Absolutely. I was vaccinated. My daughter was vaccinated. Of course. Of course, I am. I just want to know that when it comes to the review of our drugs and when it comes to all issues related to drugs, just as we have to now learn from what is happening with the opioid crisis, I want independent regulation that is conducted by the government that is not paid for by Big Pharma.10

You can see what Williamson is getting at. While she may, indeed, believe that “no exemptions” mandatory vaccination laws are both draconian and Orwellian, her main beef is with a government drug and vaccine regulatory system that she concludes has been compromised by undue influence from the pharmaceutical industry, which is primarily interested in financial profit. Voicing concern that there is undue influence by vaccine manufacturers on effective government regulation of vaccines to ensure their safety is not being anti-science or anti-vaccine. It merely represents an unwillingness to have blind faith in a rigged system.

As Williamson said on the TV show Real Time with Bill Maher in 2015:

I think that the government has earned our distrust. I think the pharmaceuticals have. This is the problem when institutions lose their moral authority. We know that the government has suppressed information and withheld information. We know that the medical establishment has suppressed information and withheld information. So that, at this point, even when they say something that we should listen to, people have a skepticism, and that’s the real problem. This is what happens when we don’t believe our government enough and we don’t believe our medical establishment enough. The answer is not to tell us we’re kooks but for them to get their act together so that they are more trustworthy again.11

She added:

There’s a skepticism which is actually healthy on this issue of vaccinations.11

In her efforts to explain her well-reasoned position on vaccines, the legitimate points Williamson is making have been lost in what has become an all-too-familiar attempt to discredit and label anyone who asks for improvements in government regulation of vaccines or questions the ethics of forced vaccination policies as “anti-vaccine.” It is a convenient way for the media to use name-calling to deflect attention away from intelligent conversations about vaccine safety science and vaccine mandates that are going on behind closed doors despite the media’s attempts to publicly shut them down.


22 Responses

  1. I met Williamson years ago when she was pastor of the Church of Today in Michigan. Although her right to do so, the woman has no business seeking any political office IMHO. Just because she say people distrust the government and she’s against vaccine mandates doesn’t make her qualified to run for political office.
    To me she’s playing both sides of the fence.

    “Absolutely. With any medical intervention, there are benefits and there are risks. The government always has to come down on the side of the public good. Absolutely. I was vaccinated. My daughter was vaccinated. Of course. Of course, I am.”

    “The government always has to come down on the side of the public good.”


    When it comes to anyone in the public eye on vaccines there is no grey area where the pharma cartel and its criminal cohorts are involved. Her people should have advised her to not get involved in this battle and believe me People who are supportive of Vaccine Choice, Vaccine Safety, Vaccine Awareness and those who are Anti-Vax are in a battle for the health and soul of humanity have been done a disservice because there is another person the MSM can hold up as some kind of kook to continue to demonstrate to the world and the American people that only nutty people are against vaccines. If she actually said something that could have educated the public in her debate or interviews that would have been helpful but this “We know that the government has suppressed information and withheld information” is not helpful if there is no opportunity to tell the public what the information is and given an example like there is solid evidence that HHS has violated US Code 42 USC 300AA-27C since 1998 and not conducted ANY Vaccine Safety Studies as the law required. She didn’t drop enough information for people to go huh-what? She didn’t drop enough information because she doesn’t know anything. In this particular instance she may have done a disservice to the cause. I certainly don’t see where she has helped. The focus is on her-not the fact that the public is unaware that the government is trying to implement draconian laws on them.

  2. It is indicative of the draconian and Orwellian nature of the pro-vax lobby, and the enormously powerful pharmaceutical industry, which pays compliant bought-and-paid-for politicians and obedient media outlets, financed by huge medical and pharmaceutical ads, that they can’t stand any disagreement. The pharmaceutical industry wants a police state, in which citizens become lab animals for their untested, dangerous products.

  3. Our candidates need to bite the bullet, drop their fear and be strong. Don’t be afraid to say I do not support mandator vaccines in the current lack of vaccine safety data.

  4. Heaven forbid any presidential candidate turns the tables and challenges the interviewer to come up with facts instead of vax-quack talking points.

  5. Since the Democratic party is solidly under the control of the same plutocracy that Williamson is committed to fighting against, there’s no way that she’s ever going to get that party’s nomination for President; and of course she knows that. I applaud her for her attempts to at least get some public conversation going about all this. I hope that when the time comes for her to give up her seat on the stage of the Democratic party she will either become the nominee of some third party or run as an independent.

    1. “Since the Democratic party is solidly under the control of the same plutocracy that Williamson is committed to fighting against”

      BOTH parties are beholden to the pharmaceutical companies. Know your history. It was a Republican who created the path for the vaccine makers to be free from liability:
      The Man Behind The Vaccine Mystery:
      It’s been a mystery in Washington for weeks. Just before President Bush signed the homeland security bill into law an unknown member of Congress inserted a provision into the legislation that blocks lawsuits against the maker of a controversial vaccine preservative called “thimerosal,” used in vaccines that are given to children.

      Drug giant Eli Lilly and Company makes thimerosal. It’s the mercury in the preservative that many parents say causes autism in thousands of children – like Mary Kate Kilpatrick.

      Asked if she thinks her daughter is a victim of thimerosal, Mary Kate’s mother, Kathy Kilpatrick, says, “I think autism is mercury poisoning.”

      But nobody in Congress would admit to adding the provision, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Acosta – until now.

      House Majority Leader Dick Armey tells CBS News he did it to keep vaccine-makers from going out of business under the weight of mounting lawsuits.

      “I did it and I’m proud of it,” says Armey, R-Texas.

      President Ronald Regan signed the bill: The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 (42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34).

      The man who held the extremely public meeting on Measles in February in Washington, Chairman Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn has received substantial money from the pharmaceutical industries and entities attached to pharma. Look up both parties on Open Secrets. The party that set this entire Vaccine madness in motion that gave the pharmaceutical industry the stones to do what they are doing to this country and the world is the Republican Party-Dick Armey and Ronald Regan. BOTH parties are complicit.

  6. If vaccines had EVER been tested for safety and efficacy, show me those tests. I do not think it has ever happened. Before the vaccine safety law, there were LOTS of law suits being brought for vaccine damages. Now over four billion, $4,000,000,000 has been paid out for vaccine damage.
    Safe & effective?

  7. I am close to changing my preference among Presidential candidates to support Ms Williamson – the thing holding me back is her willingness to backpedal in the face of the unconscionable attacks by brainwashed, biased, bought-and-paid-for media.

    She cannot possibly win the nomination in any process where the DNCC is involved – look at the way they gamed Bernie Sanders’ supporters in the last Presidential Democratic Primary. Which is a terrible thing except that she has no real need to worry about the bullying that is continually attempted to try to get her to change her mind about various topics because she tries to tell the truth to power. Tell the truth Marianne. Most Americans never hear the truth, wouldn’t recognize it when it appears… but if a little piece of each of ur messages gets through to a few thousand people who never heard such radical honesty from public figures, if a tiny piece gets into their craws then one day, somehow, perhaps enough people will know and understand why we need to move all the people in entrenched positions out of those positions and create term limits for all political offices, get money out of politics and get the insurance industry out of our health care altogether and put the AMA and the pharmaceutical industry at the bottom of the health-related decision making barrel.

    When health care is recognized by law as a human right and no longer involves the profit motive, then and only then will health care begin to become real… because regarding our health, health care, deaths-at-birth, chronic illness, average attainable age, etc, the United States is now ranked way low on the totem of industrial nations, of educated peoples, even among folks who don’t consider themselves to be free (or brave).

  8. Dear Readers making comments, Isn’t it time to stop listening to and taking serious the cast of characters and wanna-bes running for POTUS? To think that one lone ranger could ever effect political change is just a huge joke and a farce. It’s a spell that unfortunately most Americans just cannot wake up from. And why dear commenters are you paying attention to another back peddling, waffling weakling who folds at the first sign of confrontation? MAW is a longtime new age Xtian guru huckster selling books, workshops and false promises to the gullible. It’s no shame or sin to call people on people on the carpet for seeing and then saying what they are OR when they turn coward and hypocrite. If someone who fashions themselves a leader and then refuses to stand behind their position Why in the name of heaven would you consider them as credible for anything. Just call vaccines what they are – medical fraud -and don’t back down the next day. Is that too much to ask?

    1. That’s right Julie. Squawking red blue red blue all day is not an effective substitute for participating in NVIC’s legislative action request efforts. Here;

      Scroll down. Sign up. Participate. If people whom come here to blog and support have not signed up with this, they’re just all hot air. This problem is not going to be solved from the top down. We are the resistance, and it’s up to us. Learn to say no. Just opt out and skip the entire argument with pro vaccine zealots. Sorry, we have opted out.

      Still waiting for the vaccine safety commission from upstairs. Holding breath now.

  9. I am not a Democrat but I admire Ms Williamson for realizing that there are some very bad things happening in the health arena, not the worst of which is the Vaccination issue. When I was young our parents held ‘measles parties’ to spread the joy around and limit the lost classroom time. No one died! Just as CDC hasn’t reported a death from measles in years!

    And Big Pharma can now give out shots that have not even been tested on adults, to small kids, even babies! It is CRAZY and CRIMINAL. So, Ms Williamson, don’t apologize to idiots – Stand Up And Be Counted.

  10. I don’t think most people are aware of the Vaccine compensation law that is like a workers comp for big Pharma. There is a no-fault finding of injury due to the vaccine and the injured person is paid. And the government is playing hide the ball to make it even harder. It’s difficult to qualify and data about these payments that used to be on the FDA website have been taken down. So the government has admitted that vaccines cause injury. Given the admission of risk, it does not seem appropriate to force people to bear the risk in a unique physical way through bodily invasion. That business about herd immunity, fraught with fallacies, does not justify government forcing people to take the risk. There is a risk of driving a car or flying in a plane or riding a rollercoaster or even working around dangerous machinery, yet people are allowed to make that choice for themselves to assume the risk.

    I agree that Williamson is likely not the best choice for president, because of her lack of experience. Nonetheless, candidates have run as issues candidates, because they thought it was important to have certain ideas get attention. Unfortunately, most of the journalists and show hosts are shallow and lazy. They are not up to complexity or nuance.They have not informed themselves about the concept of herd immunity, the issue of heavy metals in adjuvants, the effects of the vaccines themselves, each of which is unique, or other matters that would prepare them to ask an intelligent questions about the subject. We’re better off that she’s taken this on and is raising the issues.

  11. What qualifications does Ms. Williamson have? She probably knows nothing about our American history and most importantly, zippo on our American Constitution- the law of the land. By the way, I heard her ask a group of white people to stand up and repeat after her. She had them apologize to the African American race for, I don’t even know what. I think because they were white and maybe because of the days when the black people were once slaves. It was bone chilling. Almost like a cult thing. It’s ridiculous! Unless those white people did anything specifically bad to a person that was African American, there is zero reason for a group of people to apologize for doing noting. Slavery existed and it was a bad thing, but slavery also existed among other races and all over the world, not just here in the USA. It’s time to move on already!! We have more civil unrest today, because by these ignoramuses, such as Williamson won’t let it go. Great on the vaccine thing, but she’s like the rest of the boneless people who waiver as soon as they get backlash.

    1. Great on the vaccine thing, but she’s like the rest of the boneless people who waiver as soon as they get backlash.

      Please explain how she was great on the vaccine thing? Did you actually read th doublespeak and the yes – but comments she made?

      On July 17, 2019, Williamson tweeted, “Misrepresentations of my work are in high gear this morning, so just in case it need be said: I am not anti-vaxx. I am pro-science & medicine.

      If you read carefully she is all over th place-basically tryng to dodge committing to one thing or another. She states she is not anti-vax but she and her child are vaccinated. She basically disrust the pharmetutical industry and the government but is Pro-Science yet she vaccinated her child despite the fact there is absolutenly NO safety studies or legitimate vaccine science. If she disrust the government and pharma why would she have her child vacinated? Why would she be vacciated? Why would she say this:

      “I understand that many vaccines are important and save lives. I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines. I also understand some of the skepticism that abounds today about drugs which are rushed to market by Big Pharma. I am sorry that I made comments which sounded as though I question the validity of life-saving vaccines. That is not my feeling and I realize that I misspoke.”

      “Absolutely. With any medical intervention, there are benefits and there are risks. The government always has to come down on the side of the public good. Absolutely. I was vaccinated. My daughter was vaccinated. Of course. Of course, I am.”

      “The government always has to come down on the side of the public good.”

      “I recognize there are epidemics around the world that are stopped by vaccines”

      Just on the basis of tie above statement she should not be speaking on vaccines because there isn’t a single independent verifable study that substaniates that claim which has been the mantra of the govenment & pharma since Jenner’s faux smallpox vaccine.

      So the media is focusing on her, not the coordinated plan to remove medical automony from millions of families in the US. They are focused on Williamson’s playing both side of the issue.

      So how is she great on the vaccine thing?

  12. Trump also said he was going to have a team check for vaccine safety using Robert Kennedy Jr. to head this committee. Never happened, guess big Pharma got to him too, so sad. I had put my faith in him and now its so much worse. You can’t even get an exemption in New York.

    1. Look at trumps behavior over the last few years. Do you honestly think the man gives a rat about pharma? He may have appointed Kennedy to head a commission, which by the way has gone nowhere, but he also appointed people to head HHS and the CDC who were pro vaccine-pro pharma. The tax form of trumps that was disclosed to the public showed where trump has significant pharma stock.

      No one needs to get to trump. Read this:
      Donald Trump quotes: Vaccines, Ebola and Universal Health Care ViaTwitter: “If I were President I would push for proper vaccinations but would not allow one time massive shots that a small child cannot take – AUTISM.” “To all haters and losers: I am NOT anti-vaccine, but I am against shooting massive doses into tiny children. Spread shots out over time.”

      -Sharyl Attkisson: “Viewer question: What’s your position on freedom of choice regarding various vaccines that could be dangerous for some children and why is the mere discussion of making vaccines safe censored?”

      Donald Trump: “It’s the most unbelievable discussion I’ve ever been involved in. If you say anything about vaccines that is slightly, like…holding back the hate mail, the level of vitriol, it’s incredible when you see it. First of all, I’m a big believer in vaccines. But there could something to the theory that these massive doses that are given to children have an impact on autism. There could be something to it. Now some people say no, some people say yes, I’d like to see studies. The bottom line is they have to get vaccinated. When I was going to school as a young guy, polio was a really big problem and vaccines knocked it out. So the vaccines are very important, but we have to study the vaccines and we have to be very, very careful with vaccines.”

      Trump: First of all, I’m a big believer in vaccines. Trump: The bottom line is they have to get vaccinated.

      Trumps position on vaccines is clear and concise. He also believes vaccines eradicated Polio.

  13. You must choose a side! This is a black and white yes or no issue! You are either with us or against us! The government has successfully eroded any trust we may have placed with them for product safety. From food to medicine to land management, the very last place we turn to for credible information is the for sale government corporatists. What happened to the concept of simply opting out? That’s what we have done, we have opted out because it is a fact that big pharma rubber stamps approvals for sale to anyone and anything profitable. Profits come first and that’s why we refuse to spend with those companies.

  14. I always enjoy coming to The Vaccine Reaction but the upgrade to the site with the top wide banner is really an annoyance. It cuts down on actual text space and interferes with reading the articles. It needs to be trimmed way back.

    1. If you were surfing the site with a personal computer or labtop, and not a government sanctioned cellular spy mobile device, you would not have that problem. Stop techsplaining, and learn to use the internet like an adult, on the desk, on a full size no restriction personal computer. Put your phone down please. It is not other peoples responsibility to cater to your convenience needs. I like this website, it’s highly functional and well designed. Altering designs to appease mobile users is a self defeating effort.

      1. Who died and left you God? Where do you get off telling me or anyone else what to do and use the “internet like an adult”. The only person who is behaving like a child is you. “techsplaining”-clever—said no one ever. If you had any tech experience you would know that not all devices and browsers display webpages the same on all PC’s or phones. Of course in you limited ability to interact like an adult yourself you assume incorrectly that there is a issues with the “phone” I am using. Are you also psychic? Yea, psychic like Ms. Cleo. You sound like you have some unresolved anger issues and just wanted to pop off. Do you feel better? Newsflash: I will comment on anything I chose on this board as long as it falls within the commenting guidelines. If you don’t like what I have to say-you’ll get over it.

  15. Dear commentor Chris, Amen.
    Ms. Williamson really plunged to the bottom with the very culty prayer display proving to the sane that there are yet many mindless sheeple who are incapable of thinking for themselves and just follow their cult leader. She’s a real piece of work commanding her white flock to bow and pray for forgiveness for something they never did. So ridiculous and insulting it was to listen to. Clearly historically clueless that it was white Christians that were calling for the end of black slavery. Clearly clueless that for over a hundred years the Irish were brought to the continent as white chattel and indentured slaves of the British who had kicked them out of their ancestral homeland. I could hardly believe my ears and to think of the racial strife she created by enacting such a manipulative performance.
    And now she’s falling all over herself in apology for her sin of making mention of the vaccine question. How dare she! She can and has led her sheeple followers for decades into lala land and the (((authorities))) paid no attention.. But cross the vaccine line and off with her head (((they))) cry.

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